DROS question

[winnre]

Went to buy a shotgun and neighbor told me I can buy his. I checked it out and agreed to his price and said we can DROS it this weekend. He says no that's stupid just buy it (it is not C&R). I say no it's the law and I'll pay the fees. He agreed and we will DROS it Saturday. But then he asked me, "Who is gonna know besides us if I just sold it to you here and now?"

We both know it's the LAW but I have no answer for the technical part of his question. Do dealers keep long gun DROS papers? The state keeps no registration database on long guns yet but I'd get a DROS number that I guess can always refer to the transfer, right? I just don't know the technical answer. Help?

[beerup949]

It's the honor system - no one will ever know unless you tell them.

[Vin496]

The only answer is it's the law.

The only way it would be found out is if you got caught doing it.

[Flintlock Tom]

"Who will know?"
You will know and I will know.
I don't want someone whose opinion I value to know that I'm willing to sell my integrity for $35.

[winnre]

I'll tell him no one would know, just like when I slept with his wife. :-)

[Librarian]

Using an FFL inside CA has been the law since 1991. Failing to follow the law is a misdemeanor.

Would you pay someone $35 (PPT fees) to avoid up to a year in jail (penalty for misdemeanor)? Sounds like a bargain to me.

[Rm7pr]

A couple of years ago I went into a gun shop with money burning a hole in my pocket. I had bought several guns from this place before so the dealer knew me. As I'm browsing around he offers me a shot gun. I wasn't really interested but he says to give him $xxx and I can take it with me today. I asked him if it needed to be registered and I needed to wait the ten days. He goes on to explain that long guns aren't registered in CA. Basically that "no one will ever know." So I consult with an LEO who says that when a hand gun is run thru the system it'll come back stolen, no record on file, or registered. If it comes back anyway but registered to you, you've got problems. A long gun on the other hand will only come back stolen or no record on file. As long as it comes back no record on file you're good. So to answer your question "no one will ever know.". By the way for those that are wondering I didn't buy the shot gun.

[stix213]

FFL's are required to keep their records for a period of 20 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Firearms_License

[CHS]

FFL's are required to keep their records for a period of 20 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Firearms_License

They do not have to keep DROS records for 20 years though. Only the 4473's. And Federally you are not required to use an FFL for private party sales, so it's only state law that matters on this one.

I believe DROS records only need to be kept for something like 3 or 7 years (can't remember which).

A long gun DROS, once submitted to the state, gets purged by law within 30 days and is only used for a long enough time to process the background check.

[twotap]

What shotgun ? From who?

[pure performance]

Laws are made for a reason. I would be asking why he DOESN'T want to deal with the registration process. Are you sure its a legitimate ( not stolen) gun?

[winnre]

He bought it in the 70s when you took long guns home the same day. It's just a drive to the shop, it's 2 hours out of the day is all.

[alfred1222]

OP, your neighbor is right, no one will no. I have hypothetically heard of some people out in central california that hypothetically have traded their services for guns, and never gone through a transfer. hypothetically of course

[h0use]

cash and carry is allways nice. dont need to be giving the goverment more of my money.

[durandal]

You post about how your friend tells you to break the law around a gun purchase, and this thread is still open.