Why no PPT to a Californian?

[ted caster]

Here's the deal; I'm online at a gun auction site and find an off roster pistol in California and the guy will not sell it me via a PPT! What's the problem with these guys? They're in California trying to sell someones California gun on commission but they wont sell to a Californian! Some places don't have a problem with this but there are a couple of these places that treat fellow Californians like they're lepers. The pistol in question didn't sell because the reserve price wasn't met. I was willing to pay the full astronomical amount and travel to his location, but NOooooo, he still will not sell it to a Californian because of "All the red tape". What RED TAPE? You still have to fill out a DROS form! It's not Mr. FFL's gun! What's the problem?

[geedavell]

I have seen the same thing. very good question. I'll be watching for the answer.

[Barbarossa]

The FFL can't PPT it to you as they are not the owner.

They could call the owner in, but that would but their commission in jeperady.

( only my guess)

[boltmopar]

I had the same problem about a couple of months ago. I saw a 586 with box for 425 on gunbroker at a pawn shop in Ontario. I was going to work in the area that day, so I drove there and asked about it. The guy there gave me an attitude and told me he couldn't be cause it was part of the dealers inventory. FUD? Who knows? All I know was that I didn't get the revolver.

[boltmopar]

The FFL can't PPT it to you as they are not the owner.

They could call the owner in, but that would but their commission in jeperady.

( only my guess)

Makes sense from what I was told.

[phil conrad]

If they purchased the gun outright from the owner it cannot be done as a PPT, if it is off list.

[Thefeeder]

><

Disclaimer : Not a FFL holder

I don't see a PPT if both parties are not present at the FFL to do the transfer.
If the FFL has the item logged in as inventory....its now a FFL to you sale ( I do believe)

Maybe the FFL forum wcan shed some light.

[SanPedroShooter]

Is the gun on the roster?

An FFL cannot sell an off roster gun to a non exempt person in California.

[Plisk]

If it's certain that the seller personally owns the weapon and does not own it under a FFL license, then I couldn't venture to guess why he doesn't want to sell.

If he is an FFL, that easier explains why he's in possession of an off-list weapon in the first. And if he is an FFL, you cannot PPT it. Dealer sale or ship. Period.

[ted caster]

I know how commission sales are done because I've done a few. It's not the FFL's gun. It's the Private Party's gun. The FFL is an auction middle man, taking pictures, putting it on the web, doing the DROS PPT, paying the auction site it's fee, blah blah blah, and taking a commission on the final sale price. If it were the FFL's gun they would have bought it from the private party outright and are now selling it (NOT FOR SALE IN CALIFORNIA) like Retting does. There's a place in SoCal that I deal with all the time that is the best at doing this (everything they have is PPT). The Private Party is going to have to sign a DROS sooner or later anyway.
Now back to my main point, where's all this RED TAPE!

[Plisk]

If it is on consignment with the FFL, they may or may not be able to sell it as a PPT. Some dealers handle that differently from others. They may have it in their dealer books for the sake of possession of sale, meaning that they cannot PPT it.