Is AOW exempt from Handgun Roster?

[chenzetian]

Hi,

I'm a new 07/02 in Socal area. I'm just wondering if I can make an AOW from a existing semi auto pistol and sell it.

As 07/02 I know I can do the manufacturing part, but I don't know how to do the dros. Theoretically AOW is not rifle or pistol, but DROS doesn't have a section for AOW. The only other choice will be ''other'' in Long gun section.

Can I form 4 it to a customer and dros the frame as ''other''?

best,
Hastings

[hermosabeach]

I am not familiar with AOW rules in ca.

is the existing semi auto registered as an AW?

[C.G.]

If it is a PPT it is exempt from the roster (unless an AW), if I understand your question correctly.

[chenzetian]

I am not familiar with AOW rules in ca.

is the existing semi auto registered as an AW?

No, it's just a semi-auto pistol that I purchased using my FFL.

[chenzetian]

If it is a PPT it is exempt from the roster (unless an AW), if I understand your question correctly.

Thanks for your reply,
It's not a PPT. I'm just wondering if I can form 4 an AOW directly to a customer. If so, how should I do the DROS?

[P5Ret]

My guess would be no. Also keep in mind that AW laws can come into play.

[Capybara]

I'm only a lowly FFL03 so not a dealer but I do own an AOW shotgun and just applied an E Form 1 to turn my AR pistol into an AOW.
I think your roadblock comes with selling/transferring it. Being a 07/02, you can "manufacture" an AOW but in California, as you have discovered, there is no DROS checkbox for that.

I believe that as far as the state is concerned, AOWs are or at least were in 2012 when I bought my AOW from a local 07/02, he transferred it to me as a handgun. Since the AOW will not be on the roster, I don't know if there is a legal way for you to sell/transfer it unless it's to an exempt person?

You could sell an AR pistol as a single shot exempt as long as its a dimensionally compliant bolt action or single shot AR pistol but if you have already registered it as an AOW, I don't know it it's possible? You need to post this in the FFL forum and talk to some other 07/02s. I could be wrong but I think "Other"
is for "Others" like a Shockwave but not for an Any Other Weapon (AOW)

[ar15barrels]

Hi,

I'm a new 07/02 in Socal area. I'm just wondering if I can make an AOW from a existing semi auto pistol and sell it.

As 07/02 I know I can do the manufacturing part, but I don't know how to do the dros. Theoretically AOW is not rifle or pistol, but DROS doesn't have a section for AOW. The only other choice will be ''other'' in Long gun section.

Can I form 4 it to a customer and dros the frame as ''other''?

best,
Hastings

Go read the laws:
pc 17710. (a) is the law that exempts AOW's
That takes us to pc 16590 which is the specific list of types of guns that fall under the exemption.
You have to find the exact configuration of AOW that you would be manufacturing in pc16590.
If you can not find a specific exemption under pc 16590, then you do not actually have an AOW exemption.

Now run that configuration past pc 30515 and make sure it's not an assault weapon under pc 30515.
Pretty much anything you could do to a pistol to make it an AOW is going to be stopped by pc 30515.
If you can get past pc 30515 make sure it's not an unsafe handgun under pc 31900.

If you can get past all that, convert it to a dimensionally compliant single shot and dros it as a single shot handgun under the single shot exemption since there is no specific AOW category in DES to let you use a specific AOW exemption.
It will be DROSed as your manufacturer name, city, state and model as marked on the pistol.

You should obliterate the original manufacturers name when you re-manufacture the pistol so there can be no confusing who originally manufactured the pistol with you who re-manufactured the pistol.
PC32100 (b) states that a dealer can not convert a semi-auto pistol into a single shot pistol for DROS purposes, but by removing the original manufacturer from the gun and manufacturing a whole new gun with a new manufacturer, a manufacturer should be exempt of that.

[foothillman]

23900
Any person who changes, alters, removes, or obliterates the name of the maker, model, manufacturer’s number, or other mark of identification, including any distinguishing number or mark assigned by the Department of Justice, on any pistol, revolver, or any other firearm, without first having secured written permission from the department to make that change, alteration, or removal shall be punished by imprisonment pursuant to subdivision (h) of Section 1170.

(Amended by Stats. 2011, Ch. 15, Sec. 540. (AB 109) Effective April 4, 2011. Amending action operative October 1, 2011, by Sec. 636 of Ch. 15, as amended by Stats. 2011, Ch. 39, Sec. 68. Section operative January 1, 2012, pursuant to Stats. 2010, Ch. 711, Sec. 10.)

(h) (1) Except as provided in paragraph (3), a felony punishable pursuant to this subdivision where the term is not specified in the underlying offense shall be punishable by a term of imprisonment in a county jail for 16 months, or two or three years.

[ar15barrels]

23900
Any person who changes, alters, removes, or obliterates the name of the maker, model, manufacturer’s number, or other mark of identification, including any distinguishing number or mark assigned by the Department of Justice, on any pistol, revolver, or any other firearm, without first having secured written permission from the department to make that change, alteration, or removal shall be punished by imprisonment pursuant to subdivision (h) of Section 1170.

(Amended by Stats. 2011, Ch. 15, Sec. 540. (AB 109) Effective April 4, 2011. Amending action operative October 1, 2011, by Sec. 636 of Ch. 15, as amended by Stats. 2011, Ch. 39, Sec. 68. Section operative January 1, 2012, pursuant to Stats. 2010, Ch. 711, Sec. 10.)

(h) (1) Except as provided in paragraph (3), a felony punishable pursuant to this subdivision where the term is not specified in the underlying offense shall be punishable by a term of imprisonment in a county jail for 16 months, or two or three years.

That law applies to non-licensees.
A licensed firearms manufacturer is not a "person" because they have a license to manufacture firearms.