Sent out for Automated Firearm System list from DOJ, results back inside a week

[Snoopy47]

Basically............... I have a few pistols I had to self register that I want to CCW, and need the documentation for the issuing agency.

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I did not expect the astronomically quick response to get my list of firearms from the DOJ.

However, it appears to be filled with a lot of mistakes. I'll now have to go through it gun by gun.

For example they list a Glock 15 (fifteen).

A Colt 1911 model 80 (I have NEVER owned a model 80 1911, the horror).

A few guns I know are sold off are still on the list.

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The important thing is:
1) A rifle is a rifle, and a pistol is a pistol
2) MAKE is correct
3) Serial number is correct

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Here's what bugs me the most. Most of these all have CA DROS transfers and those a perfectly correct. Somehow the state can't keep things straight.

I purged myself of several firearms, and two of them through "buy backs", and one buy back was dropped from my list, and one still remains.

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Who's job is it to make sure the state does their job correctly????????

If we did a statewide gun owner audit of everyone's list I'm sure the state would have a huge problem on their hands.

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I had a feeling this list was going to be like this. The DMV is the same. I sold a motorcycle, and the new owner never registered it, and racked up a lot of tickets. The out of state DMV came after me saying the bike was going to be auctioned. They said it was a Yellow Ducati Honda. I trust they got this data from CA. It wasn't yellow, it wasn't a Ducati and it wasn't a Honda. I had many bikes in my past, what it was is a BLACK - KAWASAKI - NINJA

The gun list data is the same.

[ar15barrels]

The AFS request gives you a list of guns that you have DROSed.
It is NOT an active inventory.
They do not remove guns that you have sold so it's normal for every gun you have ever DROSed to be on the list.
The guns are listed how the FFL entered them.

Your model 80 is probably a series 80.

[Snoopy47]

The AFS request gives you a list of guns that you have DROSed.
It is NOT an active inventory.
They do not remove guns that you have sold so it's normal for every gun you have ever DROSed to be on the list.
The guns are listed how the FFL entered them.

Your model 80 is probably a series 80.

Sorry, yea series 80 I've never owned either. All regular straight up 1911's.

[The Gleam]

Sorry, yea series 80 I've never owned either. All regular straight up 1911's.

The dealer probably still entered it wrong on the DROS, regardless if a 1911, 1911-A1, 70 Series, 80 Series, 2011, or even a Coonan. 😆

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[Snoopy47]

OK

I audited my inventory against the List the state recently sent me.

Two guns I had sold recently (last few months) were NOT on my list. Validation this list is being kept current. Two guns I sold EONS ago are not on the list. The list is being kept current.

Two pistols I gave my dad and filed the intra family paper work were NOT on my list. Again, validation the list is being kept current.

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Ummmm............................

There is a correlation to the errors on my list. They are all through the same FFL, but not all firearms through them have errors.

I will not dime out the FFL (they are liked here on CalGuns). I'll reach out to them and let them know.

[ar15barrels]

OK

I audited my inventory against the List the state recently sent me.

Two guns I had sold recently (last few months) were NOT on my list. Validation this list is being kept current.
Two guns I sold EONS ago are not on the list. The list is being kept current.
Two pistols I gave my dad and filed the intra family paper work were NOT on my list. Again, validation the list is being kept current.

When did you dros the 4 guns that are not on the list?
If you did not get them through DROS, they will not be on the list.
If they are non-AW long guns obtained before 2014, they are also not going to be on the list.

My AFS report has every handgun I had DROSed as well as every long gun purchased from 2014 forward as well as all of my registered AW's.
There are several guns on my list that I have sold including some sold and DROSed to another CA resident over 20 years ago.

[Oldluck]

Wow, that’s a mess. It’s crazy how they can get so much wrong when the info was entered correctly to begin with. A Glock 15? Model 80 1911? Come on. It’s frustrating that we’re expected to keep everything perfect on our end, but the state can be this sloppy and it’s somehow our job to fix it. And yeah, the DMV comparison is spot on—I’ve had almost the exact same thing happen. Feels like once your info’s in the system, it just lives a life of its own. Good luck getting it all straightened out.

[Thrashard340]

This is simple data entry. Another reason to wonder why we pay so much taxes here for substandard results.

[ojisan]

I recently got my report.
It's inaccurate in many ways.

- Guns I legally purchased with DROS etc are not on there.
- Guns I legally purchased with DROS etc and legally PPT sold or sold to dealers are both on and not on there. (Some are from way, way back in the day, some are fairly recent, WTF?)
- A shotgun that was post-2014 PPT'd and then the buyer was denied so I ended up getting it back when DOJ cleared it (with paperwork so they definitely have the numbers on it) is not on there.
- As far as a complete purchase history goes, so many are missing that the list is not an everything-you-ever-bought list. That may be their intent but that's not the reality.

If these reports are used when a Firearms Restraining Order / Confiscation is issued, the cops are going to look around people's homes for a long time for guns that were legally sold a long time ago.
I presume their and my home would be trashed while they look for what's not there. : (

I suggest everyone get their report and see what problems need to be fixed.

[MajorSideburns]

Are there any court cases challenging the legality of these unconstitutional databases?