Any out of state FFL's that will receive a gun and ship it to my FFL in Ca?

[OLD-skool454#3]

We own cattle and we run into pink eye from time to time an d we have to doctor them up, attempting to pen up a X-large bull or cow who has a calf at side is just very stressful to the animal and dangerous to handlers not to mention the potential for damage should things not go well. There are dart guns for this purpose except the one we want has been on backorder for quite sometime with no idea if/when it will be re-stocked. I found a used but good alternative dart gun, however, the seller will not ship to California along with two other states??? It is basically a single shot break open that works off of .22 blanks no detachable magazine, no collapsible stock, no folding stock, no flash hider. There is no Ca conversion required, I would like to buy it, but again...the seller will not ship to Ca. Any reason this would be illegal or impossible? If not, any recommendations for an out of state FFL? Thank you in advance.

?????AS if I had not made it confusing/complicated enough, it's like a 32 gauge special shotgun with an adapter that uses .22 blank/charges to fire a projectile (dart/syringe). Would it be transferred as a shotgun, a modified shotgun, not a shotgun but a rimfire, a rimfire modified to be a shotgun?

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Under CA laws...

A "firearm" is a device that expels a projectile by the force of an explosion or other type of combustion. [PC 16520(a)]

Therefore...

What you described meets CA's legal definition of a "firearm" and all CA laws pertaining to firearms apply to it.

If it has a non-rifled barrel and it has a less than 18" barrel length or a less than 26" overall length, then it is considered an "unconventional pistol" [PC 17270] and illegal (felony) to import, make, advertise for sale, transfer, or possess in CA [PC 31500].

If it has a non-rifled barrel, then in order to be CA legal it must have a minimum 18" barrel length and a minimum 26" overall length. [PC 31500 and 17270]

Going off your description and assuming it meets the requirements to be CA legal, this CA legal "long gun" would be ATF 4473'd as "other" and CA DROS'd as "long gun, other, single-shot".



Penal Code 16520Penal Code 31500
Except as provided in Chapter 1 (commencing with Section 17700) of Division 2 of Title 2, any person in this state who manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, lends, or possesses any unconventional pistol is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or imprisonment pursuant to subdivision (h) of Section 1170.

Penal Code 17270

[OLD-skool454#3]

Thank you for your response. It has a 26" rifled barrel with full length wooden stock, picture an old single shot break open shotgun. The thing is, it uses an adapter for the .22 blanks so would it make it a modified shotgun/rifle? Another question I have is would it require a special license/permit being that it projects darts that can filled with tranquilizer or medication. We have no use for tranquilizers, but medications we use already. Not all medications are prescription...we have vet for those. I suppose someone could go around darting people, but at $40 a dart and single shot...it would make no sense... I have seen several expired posts of these having been sold on auction sites with no mention of requiring any special license or permit? Maybe it's just not meant to be and we just need to keep running them through the chute, but that's hard trying to break off a temporarily bling animal from a large heard out in the middle of nowhere.

[OLD-skool454#3]

Nevermind, I found the answer and it's NO. Under law, these projector/dart guns fall under Section 5 making them a prohibited firearm such as a grenade launcher. According to the information I found, one is also required to obtain a permit for these firearms via police department...kinda like a CCW I guess. Anyways, thank you to everyone who took any interest in this mess. Hope someone learned something from it...I sure did...The End.

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Nevermind, I found the answer and it's NO. Under law, these projector/dart guns fall under Section 5 making them a prohibited firearm such as a grenade launcher. According to the information I found, one is also required to obtain a permit for these firearms via police department...kinda like a CCW I guess. Anyways, thank you to everyone who took any interest in this mess. Hope someone learned something from it...I sure did...The End.

The "dart gun" is CA legal, using it with tranquilizers requires additional CA licensing.

If the dart gun uses the force of an explosion (blank cartridge) to propel the dart, then it needs to comply with CA firearm laws.
If the dart gun uses the force of air from a canister or tank to propel the dart, then it needs to comply with CA imitation firearm laws.
If the dart guns uses the force of air from a breath to propel the dart through a hollow tube, then it needs to comply with CA blowgun laws.

Under CA laws...
Tranquilizers are a controlled substance and, when used on animals (including livestock), they can only be legally possessed/used by an exempt person (veterinarian or licensed animal control officer, humane society officer, or LEO). [PC 597.1(a)(2) and 16 CCR 2039.5]



Penal Code 597.1California Code of Regulations Title 16 Division 20 Article 4 Section 2039.5

[OLD-skool454#3]

Thing is, we are not veterinarians or animal control officers. A n hour or so I spoke with a gentleman employee from an FFL here in California who sold the exact gun as I was looking to buy and he is the one who told me only licensed veterinarians could buy/posses dart guns so I looked it up and found Section 5. I called several other FFL's and none had any clue as to how or who can transfer one... I even suggested they look up H&R Cap-Chur Pwder Projector rifle/gun, but...crickets.

[OLD-skool454#3]

Yep, just called that FFL (Olde West Pawn and Loan CA) again and again he said only veterinarians and fish and game peoples can buy these proof required. It's been interesting and quite a learning experience.