11% excise tax

[Scooooter7]

This is really called the "Bendover Tax". So just bend over and bare it for all to see while you are just simply trying to use your 2A rights while saying thanks mr. gruesome.

If this idiot ever runs for potus and gets elected, we would probably wish we had even low life bidet back in office.

Trump 2024 and beyond.

[OCEquestrian]

Not sure is serious? LOL

If you are a resident of California and you want to buy a new firearm / ammo from an FFL...what choice do you have?

[OCEquestrian]

I am thinking that used guns will also jump up in price due to this crappy additional 11% tax, what do you say?

Thanks

I agree, used LNIB gun prices may capture half that tax increase in terms of increased value when compared to the new alternative from a dealer.

[TURNKEY13]

Utopian thought here, what if manufacturers LOWERED their prices 11% in Ca. only, thus negating the tax? Hehehehe

[DoubleTap76]

So, this law is racist right? Disproportionately impacts people of colour. Right?

[Rickybillegas]

So, this law is racist right? Disproportionately impacts people of colour. Right?

Well, if you assume more people of color are in the lower levels of average income vs 'white people' then yes it's racist.
Let's put it another way. It disproportionally burdens all people who's incomes are below the median which includes all races. That on it's face (IMHO) makes it unconstitutional.

[Eddy's Shooting Sports]

Interesting question to ponder. Since the tax is not levied on the consumer, but on the manufacturer who will undoubtedly pass it on in new pricing, I can imagine that existing firearms that were sold before the tax might follow the increase in the used market. If they don't track the increase, or course they are likely to be a better bargain and sell faster.

The tax in question here is the CA FET which is levied on the consumer at point of purchase and collected by the FFL, just like sales tax.

[Eddy's Shooting Sports]

According to Turner's if you do not pick up your firearm by 6/30 the buyer will be charged the tax. This is all very confusing. Who exactly is paying, and when does it get levied? The consumer pays, but then the business / state needs to figure out and charge the mfg for the tax? What the hell.

The only reason they include "manufacturers" is because an 07 FFL usually is also a retailer. The tax will be collected on the gross retail price by whoever sells it to the consumer.

[Eddy's Shooting Sports]

Turner's store policy does not necessarily align with what the law is. One example of this is their 1 in 30 fail policy. If you attempt to purchase a 2nd firearm within your 30 day window, even if you are a day or even an hour short of exiting the 30 day window, Turner's will tell you to come back in 30 days and try again. You could simply re-do the DROS and background check a day later and it would work, but store policy makes them tell the customer/hold the firearm 30 extra days regardless of how much time is actually left.

Not true. This is state law. Read the penal code. If you get a 30 day reject from DOJ, the clock starts fresh and you can't DROS again for 30 days. This has always been the law, but DOJ did not enforce it at first.

[Enthused]

Not true. This is state law. Read the penal code. If you get a 30 day reject from DOJ, the clock starts fresh and you can't DROS again for 30 days. This has always been the law, but DOJ did not enforce it at first.

If it is the law, which is not the impression I had I know for a fact it's not enforced. Maybe it will be at some point, going off the letter of the law.

[Eddy's Shooting Sports]

As I understand it, if you paid for an item listed under SB 28 on or before July 1, 2024, the excise tax is not applicable even if the gun/item is picked up after that date. If the item is not fully paid for on July 1, the tax will be added.

Every gun I have purchased was paid in full when the DROS was started. Additionally, any ammo I've purchased has been paid in full before I walked out the door. If Turdners is doing as described, you have a right to say, "Nope."
-P

Not true. Technically, every gun you purchased had a 100% deposit placed on it until the firearm was delivered and title changed to you. Nobody transacts this way to avoid complexity, but the sales tax is levied on the day of delivery. If there is a sales tax increase (or decrease), the rate that is in effect is the rate on the day of delivery. This will be the same for the CA FET, so Turners is actually correct in this policy. Because they are so big, they have more at stake if audited. You will probably the small LGS do it how you describe with "buy before July 1", but technically it is incorrect. Disagree if you wish, but if take the time to research CA sales tax law, you will see this is how it works.

[Eddy's Shooting Sports]

If it is the law, which is not the impression I had, I know for a fact it's not enforced.

If you are 1 hour short of the 30 days and fail a DROS, you can submit a new one an hour later and it will work. Try it yourself.

Sorry, to burst your bubble, but that's not how it works. DES will automatically 30 reject if you try that. I don't make a habit out of wasting $37 so I won't be trying when I know it doesn't work. Ask ANY dealer and they will tell you the same thing. It NOT just Turners.....

[Enthused]

Sorry, to burst your bubble, but that's not how it works. DES will automatically 30 reject if you try that. I don't make a habit out of wasting $37 so I won't be trying when I know it doesn't work. Ask ANY dealer and they will tell you the same thing. It NOT just Turners.....

Cool

[Enthused]

We will find out either way once July 1 rolls around and people begin picking up their purchases. I'm sure most of us will be able to start a DROS by ~June 20 to fit it in the window, some won't and will have to roll the dice on whatever happens in July.

[Tahoeshooter]

The tax in question here is the CA FET which is levied on the consumer at point of purchase and collected by the FFL, just like sales tax.

So will this apply to PPT sales as well as sales from retailers?