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  • voiceofreason
    Veteran Member
    • Oct 2010
    • 3785

    AAR: Tactical Avenues - Low Light Course

    AAR: Tactical Avenues - Low Light Course
    -held April 21, 2012 @ Burro Canyon in Azusa

    3:30pm-8:30pm

    This was a 5 hour course that covered a number of important skills in addition to low light. Safety was taken seriously and there were no incidents or issues in regards to safety the entire day (to my knowledge).

    We started off the day in an outdoor “classroom”, with the safety briefing, the legal aspects of the use of deadly force in the defense of life, the 7 fundamentals of marksmanship, 5 count draw, and an open question/answer session.

    The instructors for the day were Daine, Will, & Nelson; all are current LAPD SWAT and all are excellent instructors with something different to offer each student. The owner of Tactical Avenues, Donny was present as well. He was clearly an active and involved owner and did not simply sit back an supervise. He was working hard alongside his instructors and also operated the moving target for one of the stations while co-instructing for that station.

    There were 3 different range stations set up for the day. We started off with everyone on the line warming up with draws firing singles and controlled pairs. From there, we broke off into 2 groups which rotated through the 3 stations.

    At the 1st station on the main line, we were taught shooting from different kneeling positions and prone. We practiced shooting on the move going forward as well.

    At the 2nd station, there was a moving target and a full sized door, frame, and partial walls. We ran through a drill that required thinking and making a decision as to whether we should shoot or not shoot, WHEN we could shoot, and shooting at a moving target. As each person ran through the drill, the instructors discussed what we did well, what we could do differently, and the legal aspects of when to shoot and when it was not legally justified to do so. It was much better than hypothetical discussion, as we got to see each person go through the scenario and watch how each person reacted differently and how the decisions played out. At this station, we also practiced shooting on the move. Although we didn’t get to practice it, we also learned how to shoot moving laterally.

    At the 3rd station, there were a number of steel targets positioned on the range. They had standard steel targets, pepper poppers, hostage targets (swinging target located next to the head of a standard IPSC style steel target), and a Christmas tree with about 6 flags. Here, we practiced shooting in low light (absolute darkness by the time my group got to this station). We discussed the different styles of how to hold a flashlight for low light shooting (away from body, next to neck, syringe style, behind the wrist). We primarily practiced the Harries method (behind the wrist). Everyone seemed to really enjoy the shoot-off using the pepper poppers. We were sad we couldn’t have run through that a few more times, but by then, it was already past the official end time and we’d all run through it.

    The evening was BEAUTIFUL, with a clear and gorgeous view of the stars framed by a nice “V” formed by hills. When I wasn’t actively shooting, I was continually distracted by how beautiful the view was up in the mountains at night.

    Wrapping up the evening, people were in agreement that the course was well worth the time and money and that we really appreciated working with these instructors. Many were already inquiring as to the next course available. The only thing I would have changed would have been to make it a 6 or 8 hour course. There was a lot of material covered and I would have enjoyed going through more runs per drill. This has less to do with their time management, and more to do with the sheer amount of knowledge they have to disseminate.

    I don’t know how updated their calendar is, but this is a link from their website listing their upcoming courses. If you have any questions, do not hesitate to contact them as they are very good at responding to customer inquiries.



    There was some discussion of a Women’s Only class, which would require 10 or more participants to set a date. I would not hesitate to send my loved ones to train with Tactical Avenues. I know they would receive top notch training in a safe environment. I enjoyed training with them, gained a great deal of knowledge, and plan to train with them again in the near future.

    There were 2 women that attended the course. They were treated no differently from the male students. They shot safely and were very nice.

    feel free to PM me if you have any questions regarding my experience with this course

    any questions specific to Tac Aves, please contact them directly at

    Last edited by voiceofreason; 04-22-2012, 12:13 PM.
    "You will never know how much it has cost my generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it."
    John Quincy Adams

    "You will never know how little my generation has traded away our freedoms and rights for. I'm sorry and ashamed for what we've left to the following generations."
    voiceofreason
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    epilepticninja
    Veteran Member
    • Aug 2010
    • 4166

    One caveat to the traininig course is that if you want to attend, be prepared to give up your personal information including SSN. They conduct some type of background check including a credit check. I've taken a ton of shooting courses over the years, and have never had anyone ask me to divulge the type of information they wanted. Nothing against tactical ave, but I'll never give up that much personal info for weapon instruction.
    Former political prisoner who escaped on 9-24-23.

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    • #3
      voiceofreason
      Veteran Member
      • Oct 2010
      • 3785

      Their instructor cadre is composed of current LAPD sworn officers.

      If they trained a felon or criminal and said person committed a firearms related crime, it would be negative for them in multiple aspects.

      They are simply performing their due diligence in ensuring that they're not training someone who should not be receiving this type of instruction.

      That said, it is nice to know that the guy next to you on the line has been vetted to some degree.
      "You will never know how much it has cost my generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it."
      John Quincy Adams

      "You will never know how little my generation has traded away our freedoms and rights for. I'm sorry and ashamed for what we've left to the following generations."
      voiceofreason

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      • #4
        PatriotnMore
        Calguns Addict
        • Nov 2007
        • 7068

        If any ladies are interested in an all female beginner pistol class, please post your interest (Husbands please ask your wives), I went over interest with my wife today and she wants to attend. We need a min of 10 and then you can pick a date that works best for the group. Don told me he will work around the schedule on the date the ladies decide.
        ‎"If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one, subject to particular exceptions."
        --James Madison
        'Letter to Edmund Pendleton', 1792

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        • #5
          operator13
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2011
          • 1908

          What type of weapons were ran by the shooters for this course?
          Originally posted by hornswaggled
          BCM will allow you to be an elitist and talk crap on other manufacturers and their customers. That alone is worth it.

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          • #6
            PatriotnMore
            Calguns Addict
            • Nov 2007
            • 7068

            Originally posted by operator13
            What type of weapons were ran by the shooters for this course?
            This was pistol only for this course, there were multi caliber .45 and under, not sure if anyone was shooting .380. No revolvers were used, but I am sure they would have been welcomed and refinement opinions on methods and tactics would have been offered.
            ‎"If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one, subject to particular exceptions."
            --James Madison
            'Letter to Edmund Pendleton', 1792

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              epilepticninja
              Veteran Member
              • Aug 2010
              • 4166

              Originally posted by voiceofreason
              Their instructor cadre is composed of current LAPD sworn officers.

              If they trained a felon or criminal and said person committed a firearms related crime, it would be negative for them in multiple aspects.

              They are simply performing their due diligence in ensuring that they're not training someone who should not be receiving this type of instruction.

              That said, it is nice to know that the guy next to you on the line has been vetted to some degree.
              Understood, but you don't need the type of info (mainly the SSN) that they request on the form to "vett" someone. A name, DOB, and CDL is enough to get what you need to know thru CLETS or NCIC. The only reason that I can think of to ask for a SSN is to run a credit check. I don't believe a credit check is necessary to take a firearms training course.
              Former political prisoner who escaped on 9-24-23.

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              • #8
                DrMoebius
                Member
                • Jan 2012
                • 196

                Originally posted by epilepticninja
                Understood, but you don't need the type of info (mainly the SSN) that they request on the form to "vett" someone. A name, DOB, and CDL is enough to get what you need to know thru CLETS or NCIC. The only reason that I can think of to ask for a SSN is to run a credit check. I don't believe a credit check is necessary to take a firearms training course.
                Maybe they've come across people in deep debt looking for training to pull off a crime or share the training with someone else who is?

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                • #9
                  FatalKitty
                  Veteran Member
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 2942

                  Originally posted by DrMoebius
                  Maybe they've come across people in deep debt looking for training to pull off a crime or share the training with someone else who is?
                  yes, because that's how all the big crimes start... law abiding citizens with no record suddenly decide to rob a 7/11 and need some police training to do so
                  you don't rise to the occasion,
                  you just fall back on your level of training.

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