Long Gun Registration

[s4alex]

So, I was thinking.. I know, bad idea.. but I had nothing better to do.

So, when making a new purchase of a long gun, unlike a handgun, no model/make/serial number is listed on the form correct? I mean, when I purchased my last few lowers, rifle, and shotgun, it was like that.

So, basically, the government, does not know what long guns I have, all they know is how many I have.

Besides the law, what is there stopping people (in California) from just doing a straight exchange of long guns? Trade a rifle for rifle? Not going through an FFL. Basically, you will still have the same number of long guns. Just wondering. I mean, like if I found some one that wanted to trade me a stripped receiver with me, because we wanted a different roll mark, what is to stop us from just swapping? Besides that law. How would it actually be known that it wasn't mine to begin with?

[FatalKitty]

DROS information is indeed kept at the dealer level... so if anything were to happen - and an investigation was started where those records were brought up.... you'd be in a world of ****

[roushstage2]

I asked something similar awhile back because I overheard some coworkers talking about basically exchanging firearms without a dealer. You should not do it because it is illegal and because if you have any morals, that would be a no there as well.

Number of long guns can't accurately be tracked for every single person either. For example, intrafamilial transfer (gifting) of long guns doesn't require a dealer or paperwork. Same with 80% receivers.

[s4alex]

I guess they couldn't track it either if I was in AZ or another free state and sold a rifle there FTF. I couldn't buy one, but could just sell one.

[Quiet]

I guess they couldn't track it either if I was in AZ or another free state and sold a rifle there FTF. I couldn't buy one, but could just sell one.

Which would be a violation of Federal laws that have been in effect since 1968.

Federal laws prohibits the transfer of firearms between non-licensed residents of different states, unless the transfer is done through a FFL dealer.

If you travel to another state and sold your firearm to a non-FFL without using a FFL dealer to transfer the firearm, then you would have committed a Federal felony for selling. [18 USC 922(a)(5)]

Federal felony = 5 years in Federal prison + $50,000 fine + can never own/possess firearms or ammunition

[Quiet]

On 01-01-2014, long gun registration goes into effect.

So, during DROS the firearms info will be reported to CA DOJ.

Intra-familial transfers of long guns will also need to be reported to CA DOJ, same way handguns are currently being reported.

[explorerdude]

No info is put on the DROS but the info is on the 4473. So the dealer will have your info and the info of every longgun you DROS. So if you ever needed paper trail for X reason, you'd have it through the FFL.

[Librarian]

Besides the law, what is there stopping people (in California) from just doing a straight exchange of long guns?

Besides the law, what is there stopping people from robbing 7-11 stores?

[Excommunicado]

Food for thought

Real life story to share with you all.

I gave my best friend's kid his first rifle (SKS) for his 18th birthday about 11 yrs ago. I have always crossed my T & dotted my I when it comes to firearms so I gave him the rifle at the BD party then drove him down to Turners for a PPT.

Few other long time shooting buddies laughed at me !

What you bother with that for ? They said. You know DOJ only keeps track of hand guns but not long guns.

We did the PPT transfer any way, just to make sure that SKS is under the boy's name with serial number on the DROS ppwk.

About 8 yrs went by, my friend has since pass away in an accident & I lost contact w/ rest of the families; but one day I ran into a mutual friend who informed me that kid has since joined USMC & is now in AG. Then he tells me that the kid's house got broken into recently & all his guns & ammo were "stolen", including that SKS I gave him.

Did I do the right thing by crossing my T & dotting my I ?

[XYZ]

So, I was thinking.. I know, bad idea.. but I had nothing better to do.

Besides the law, what is there stopping people (in California) from just doing a straight exchange of long guns?

WOW!!! "Besides the law.....," that's going to get you in a world of trouble. No offense OP, but just reread what you wrote.

[nick]

Besides the law, what is there stopping people from robbing 7-11 stores?

Their food sucks. Why would you want to steal that?

[Vlad 11]

So, I was thinking.. I know, bad idea ......

Not going through an FFL.

Very very bad idea , don't do it. Not worth saving a few bucks. As far as modern long guns are concerned.

But i will tell you a very good idea. Find out which rifles ( such as C&R ) are qualified to be legally transferred without DROS or registration and purchase as many of these as you can before 2014. You'll be glad you did

[PEZHEAD265]

On 01-01-2014, long gun registration goes into effect.

So, during DROS the firearms info will be reported to CA DOJ.

Intra-familial transfers of long guns will also need to be reported to CA DOJ, same way handguns are currently being reported.

What happens to long guns that you have in your possession allready??Do you have to report them??If you could point me in the direction of this law so I can read it that would be a great help.
Thanks PEZ

[Mssr. Eleganté]

What happens to long guns that you have in your possession allready??Do you have to report them??

No. Long guns that you already own in California are not reported unless you transfer them after January 1, 2014.

If you could point me in the direction of this law so I can read it that would be a great help.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/bill/asm/ab_0801-0850/ab_809_bill_20111009_chaptered.html

[Librarian]

Originally Posted by PEZHEAD265
If you could point me in the direction of this law so I can read it that would be a great help.

And the sticky in the 2A forum, http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=399849