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  • DeathByDoubleDip
    Member
    • Sep 2010
    • 138

    'Crime' guns and DROSing

    So this is probably a stupid, excessively-paranoid question, but is it possible to still 'wind up with' a gun that's been used in a crime even after the 10-day waiting period/background check/DROS have taken place? I'm guessing if the gun is 'dirty', it would be intercepted at this phase.

    I'm talking with a semi-shady seller right now (at least from hearing on the phone), and the price on the item in question makes it difficult to pass up. Even though I've bought three guns from other private parties before, I am wondering if it is fud or not that I'd as culpable as the person who used the gun in a crime if I end up with ownership of it.

    Thoughts? Suggestions? Stories? Recommendations for me to drink some better kind of Kool-Aid?

    Also, Happy Friday folks!
    Javid: 30-30 is like 70c/rd, non-corrosive 54r is around a buck, 7.7 is $kidneys

    "They should call Remington Golden Bullet .22 "Whore's Glitter", because that's all that's on your hands when you're done running several magazines of the stuff."
  • #2
    meaty-btz
    Calguns Addict
    • Sep 2010
    • 8980

    Sniff test, when it comes to guns and anything dairy, if it does not smell right, discard and do not consume.
    ...but their exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level, and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom.

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    • #3
      greybeard
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2008
      • 1086

      I be more concerned that they are stolen more then they were used in a crime. The DROS would be your record of when you obtained it and from who.
      John

      The internet is like a 12 step group. Take what you need and leave the rest.

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      • #4
        alfred1222
        Calguns Addict
        • Jan 2010
        • 7331

        Originally posted by greybeard
        I be more concerned that they are stolen more then they were used in a crime. The DROS would be your record of when you obtained it and from who.
        Ya, this would be my concern as well. someone trying to unload a gun fast and cheap could have stolen it. i would meet the guy, and follow your gut
        Originally posted by Kestryll
        This guy is a complete and total idiot.
        /thread.

        ΦΑ

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        • #5
          bandook
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2010
          • 1220

          Originally posted by DeathByDoubleDip
          So this is probably a stupid, excessively-paranoid question, but is it possible to still 'wind up with' a gun that's been used in a crime even after the 10-day waiting period/background check/DROS have taken place? I'm guessing if the gun is 'dirty', it would be intercepted at this phase.

          I'm talking with a semi-shady seller right now (at least from hearing on the phone), and the price on the item in question makes it difficult to pass up. Even though I've bought three guns from other private parties before, I am wondering if it is fud or not that I'd as culpable as the person who used the gun in a crime if I end up with ownership of it.

          Thoughts? Suggestions? Stories? Recommendations for me to drink some better kind of Kool-Aid?

          Also, Happy Friday folks!
          Not culpable, but if the gun is stolen you'd be out of both gun and money. It will be returned to its owner whenever they report it stolen ( and good luck finding the seller).

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          • #6
            DeathByDoubleDip
            Member
            • Sep 2010
            • 138

            Thanks for the suggestions, folks. Will roll with my gut tomorrow and figure it out on the spot.
            Javid: 30-30 is like 70c/rd, non-corrosive 54r is around a buck, 7.7 is $kidneys

            "They should call Remington Golden Bullet .22 "Whore's Glitter", because that's all that's on your hands when you're done running several magazines of the stuff."

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            • #7
              saki302
              Calguns Addict
              • Oct 2005
              • 7187

              The seller would be an absolute idiot to PPT a stolen gun.

              They only have his exact name, address, and license number to track him down. It would be much smarter to go to a free state and sell it at a gun show. Then again, there are some stupid criminals out there..

              -Dave

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              • #8
                fighterpilot562
                I’m Ugly and I’m Proud
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Mar 2012
                • 47060

                When in doubt, don't go for it. OP i say if you got doubts, don't even bother doing it.

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                • #9
                  RickD427
                  CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 9264

                  Originally posted by meaty-btz
                  Sniff test, when it comes to guns and anything dairy, if it does not smell right, discard and do not consume.
                  +1 to this posting.

                  The term "Crime Gun" can be a little confusing. Law enforcement uses that term to describe weapons that might have some involvement with a crime. When a crime gun comes to the attention of law enforcement, there are protocols in place to determine how the weapon may have been channeled to a potentially illegal use.

                  It is not illegal to possess a weapon that has previously been classified as a crime gun.

                  It sounds like your concern is more about whether the weapon is stolen, or modified into an illegal configuration. If the weapon is a "really good deal", I would also have some concerns that it may also have been legally modified into a piece of junk. There's a lot of "Kitchen Table" gunsmiths that regularly butcher nice firearms.

                  Under California law, for you to be guilty of possessing a stolen firearm, it's necessary to show that you had knowledge the firearm was stolen. Having a proper DROS showing purchase would go a long way toward negating that element. But if the firearm was determined to be stolen, it would be returned to its owner. You're pretty much out the money.
                  If you build a man a fire, you'll keep him warm for the evening. If you set a man on fire, you'll keep him warm for the rest of his life.

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                  • #10
                    NYsteveZ
                    Senior Member
                    • Jul 2011
                    • 1092

                    +1 on turning it down. If you think the price is too good to be true, it probably is. Here is the most likely scenario-You meet Mr Shady to purchase the firearm. You give him the cash, pay the DROS, and you both walk out. The gun turns out to be stolen, or wanted in question for a crime. You are out the gun and money.
                    What kind of gun is it and how much? You can most likely find it here for a great price, post in the WTB if its a specific model, or, you have a whole community here who will help you find it.
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                    • #11
                      greybeard
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 1086

                      I guess, I have two questions. One does the DROS actually check the serial number on it to see if it is stolen? Two I a pretty should that there is no way to identify a gun used in a crime without having its' serial number or ballistics.
                      It is doubtful somebody left the serial number at the scene.
                      John

                      The internet is like a 12 step group. Take what you need and leave the rest.

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                      • #12
                        DeathByDoubleDip
                        Member
                        • Sep 2010
                        • 138

                        So it was a Glock 26 posted on Armslist for $350 (see April 10). Haven't seen those or 19's drop down to $400 in a while, so I leapt for this.

                        I showed up at Aegis Trading Company, and the seller flaked. Ended up waiting from 3:30 to 4:10PM, and called about 7 times between getting there and leaving.

                        Some people...

                        Normally, I'd be more upset, but whatever. Directing that money to someone who probably deserves it more or to a DSLR.
                        Last edited by DeathByDoubleDip; 04-21-2012, 4:54 PM.
                        Javid: 30-30 is like 70c/rd, non-corrosive 54r is around a buck, 7.7 is $kidneys

                        "They should call Remington Golden Bullet .22 "Whore's Glitter", because that's all that's on your hands when you're done running several magazines of the stuff."

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