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  • winnre
    Calguns Addict
    • Apr 2010
    • 9216

    What gun is this?

    Surely a Calgunner can help out!

    Photos of a mystery rifle marked Model 58, with Italian safety lettering. Any idea what it is?
    "If Jesus had a gun he would be alive today"-Homer Simpson
  • #2
    nmerced
    Veteran Member
    • Feb 2010
    • 2673

    Looks similar to a Beretta BM59.
    The bullets with my name on it I'm not worried about, it's the "To whom it may concern" ones I'm worried about.

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    • #3
      QuarterBoreGunner
      Administrator
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Oct 2005
      • 9389

      Dunno, but that's a cool site.
      /Chris

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      Farmers' mums.

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      • #4
        RP1911
        Calguns Addict
        • Sep 2007
        • 5198

        Not a BM59. I had one of those.
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        • #5
          fighterpilot562
          I’m Ugly and I’m Proud
          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
          • Mar 2012
          • 47072

          no idea but looks cool

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          • #6
            0321jarhead
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2009
            • 2116

            The words sicura and raffica is Italian. So, the rifle has gotta be from Italy. Lets go from there.
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            Ronald Reagan

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            • #7
              SeanCasey
              Now in AZ
              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
              • Mar 2009
              • 1562

              Let's cut to the chase... When is the first build party for these?
              -Sean Casey

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              • #8
                The Gleam
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Feb 2011
                • 13777

                Almost looks like a Browning A-5 receiver re-machined and re-fitted and set up for a bottom-magazine feed for chambering 7.62X51. I suppose it could be done.

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                Originally posted by Librarian
                What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

                If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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                • #9
                  TNP'R
                  Calguns Addict
                  • May 2010
                  • 7832

                  Originally posted by The Gleam
                  Almost looks like a Browning A-5 receiver re-machined and re-fitted and set up for a bottom-magazine feed for chambering 7.62X51. I suppose it could be done.

                  My friend got one of those not as clean looking though.

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                  • #10
                    SantaCabinetguy
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Feb 2011
                    • 15142

                    Stumped me. I see hits of an SKS but that big ‘ol box mag throws me off.
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                    • #11
                      RP1911
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 5198

                      Left is safe, middle is one shot and right is burst. That would indicate a machinegun.
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                      • #12
                        Batman
                        Veteran Member
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 2671

                        Looks like a variant of a BAR (Browning Automatic Rifle).

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                        • #13
                          nick
                          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                          CGN Contributor
                          • Aug 2008
                          • 19152

                          Probably a prototype/prequel for Beretta BM-59. It looks somewhat similar, it's Italian, and it is "Model 58".
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                          • #14
                            alpalwal
                            Senior Member
                            • Jun 2008
                            • 655

                            It looks like a svt-40, A5, and BAR had a love child and named it the model 58
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                            • #15
                              The Gleam
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Feb 2011
                              • 13777

                              Originally posted by nick
                              Probably a prototype/prequel for Beretta BM-59. It looks somewhat similar, it's Italian, and it is "Model 58".
                              In name only, and possibly prior to the BM-59; but not even close to the BM-59 which is based on a Garand, and more similar to an M-14. And it doesn't match a 1918 BAR other than possible profile and function, though closer to the 1918 than a BM-59.

                              I still think the receiver looks to be closer to an Auto-5 shotgun with heavy conversion and machining. It's not a sister to the modern Browning BARs, as those would not appear until much later (1967) assuming "58" means 1958.

                              My vote is still an experimentation by a government armorer to design a new firearm, and he used the A-5 has his platform for 7.62X51. It's a good gun; I might have done the same.
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                              Originally posted by Librarian
                              What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

                              If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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