Loaded open carry?

[disturbed1]

hello, today my girlfriend, daughter and I walked into a gun and before we walked in, I noticed this guy was open carrying a handgun in a holster on his right side. When I passed him, I glanced at his gun and noticed there was a mag inside the well so, I assumed it was loaded and ready to go. This guy was middle aged and did not have any law enforcement attire and actually drove up in a Phantom! Well, I wanna know if this is legal? I thought UOC was illegal now and if you have a CCW it MUST be concealed.

[CenterX]

Where was this? The post is too vague. Help us out and fill in some details.
What county and city or town?
Near or into a gun store, etc.?

[fighterpilot562]

yes need more details. if it was a gun store he might work there

[adrenalinejunkie]

As stated above, more details are needed. Open carry of pistols of any kind in CA was banned this year, so that's illegal. If he's LE, i'm not sure if he can open carry but he can conceal loaded with no problems. If it was in the gun shop that's fine because he's on private property. Confusing. Might have just wanted to say **** it- if he drove up in a Phantom he can deal with the cost if he gets caught hahaha

[pdq_wizzard]

cops can loaded open carry but they need to have there badge showing, on private property anything goes as long as the owner will allow it.

[stix213]

hello, today my girlfriend, daughter and I walked into a gun and before we walked in, I noticed this guy was open carrying a handgun in a holster on his right side. When I passed him, I glanced at his gun and noticed there was a mag inside the well so, I assumed it was loaded and ready to go. This guy was middle aged and did not have any law enforcement attire and actually drove up in a Phantom! Well, I wanna know if this is legal? I thought UOC was illegal now and if you have a CCW it MUST be concealed.

First line not making much sense. Are you referring to someone outside of a gun store? Its common for gun store employees to carry loaded in a holster inside the store, but are you talking about this guy being outside the store or what? Missing some details.

[disturbed1]

sorry, Well the guy was outside the store and walked into the store. The store is in orange, Fowler's Gun Shop. The guy did not have a badge. It seemed like a short barrel 1911. The guy does not work there as he was at the counter and it seemed like he was safety checking the gun too. IDK why though. maybe the worker asked him.

[meaty-btz]

As stated above, more details are needed. Open carry of pistols of any kind in CA was banned this year, so that's illegal.

ABSOLUTE FUD. There are plenty of places to legally LOC left in this state.

[adrenalinejunkie]

ABSOLUTE FUD. There are plenty of places to legally LOC left in this state.

Oh just places like LA? This was from hearsay so please correct me.

[disturbed1]

Like where? Highly interested in this. Hope you dont mean inside privte property, as he was also out in a public parkinglot

[meaty-btz]

Oh just places like LA? This was from hearsay so please correct me.

I would need Librarian for the code and current interpretation but in unincorporated areas where discharge is not illegal, which encompasses a great many northern counties while hunting or.. fishing? I am unclear on the fishing thing as I have never been involved. UOC has been pretty much ended and LOC in any urban area is pretty much illegal state wide, though there is still a permit available for LOC in Counties below a certain population. California Laws, so confusing not even God knows what is going on here.

That is why until the OP stated it was in Orange County the situation was very up in the air. In this case, I know of no Places in Orange County where it is legal to do so. I have found the easiest way to suss out the situation is to ask.. is this a red or a blue county.. if blue it is illegal, if it is red then are there a bunch of people here, if yes, then it is illegal, if no go check the local county code to find the needed information.

California is very different politically and as far as local/county ordinances between coastal/urban/agri/mountain areas. You also must forgive my loud declamations. I am almost totally rabidly anti-urban. There was not a single good law that was spawned by the officials of urban areas and not one problem that bad laws sought to solve that were also not born of urban areas. That and decades of being steam-rolled by a horrendous Progressive Overpopulated areas tends to leave a bit of a bitter taste in ones mouth. We don't need you areas (we are quite wealthy from very valuable agriculture) but you need us (water) and in return we are given: Gangs and Violence Spillover, Onerous Laws and taxation, and Escaping Progressives who come here to buy our nice land and then change all the local laws. We are the Jefferson State.

[adrenalinejunkie]

I would need Librarian for the code and current interpretation but in unincorporated areas where discharge is not illegal, which encompasses a great many northern counties while hunting or.. fishing? I am unclear on the fishing thing as I have never been involved. UOC has been pretty much ended and LOC in any urban area is pretty much illegal state wide, though there is still a permit available for LOC in Counties below a certain population. California Laws, so confusing not even God knows what is going on here.

That is why until the OP stated it was in Orange County the situation was very up in the air. In this case, I know of no Places in Orange County where it is legal to do so. I have found the easiest way to suss out the situation is to ask.. is this a red or a blue county.. if blue it is illegal, if it is red then are there a bunch of people here, if yes, then it is illegal, if no go check the local county code to find the needed information.

California is very different politically and as far as local/county ordinances between coastal/urban/agri/mountain areas. You also must forgive my loud declamations. I am almost totally rabidly anti-urban. There was not a single good law that was spawned by the officials of urban areas and not one problem that bad laws sought to solve that were also not born of urban areas. That and decades of being steam-rolled by a horrendous Progressive Overpopulated areas tends to leave a bit of a bitter taste in ones mouth. We don't need you areas (we are quite wealthy from very valuable agriculture) but you need us (water) and in return we are given: Gangs and Violence Spillover, Onerous Laws and taxation, and Escaping Progressives who come here to buy our nice land and then change all the local laws. We are the Jefferson State.

Got it, thanks for the clarification. I agree with you though. I'd say that 90% of the gun laws passed in CA stemming from fear from large populations are total bull****. Free California

[meaty-btz]

Got it, thanks for the clarification. I agree with you though. I'd say that 90% of the gun laws passed in CA stemming from fear from large populations are total bull****. Free California

What is the worst though is for those of you in those places. You, more even than I, need your LTC. You need your LOC. You are surrounded by angry men, disenfranchised men in a land where you do not own what is under your feet. A land where you have no choice but to rely on the government because of the overburden of the land and people there must be regulation in a place where no one really owns and can be independent, even if they wished to be so.

There are so many criminals and angry people in cities. SO many more pressures to be dealt with. Seriously you guys need new leadership, we all do.

For the op, It was illegal to LOC in that location. Even if the parking lot is private property it is not covered unless it is gated.

[adrenalinejunkie]

What is the worst though is for those of you in those places. You, more even than I, need your LTC. You need your LOC. You are surrounded by angry men, disenfranchised men in a land where you do not own what is under your feet. A land where you have no choice but to rely on the government because of the overburden of the land and people there must be regulation in a place where no one really owns and can be independent, even if they wished to be so.

There are so many criminals and angry people in cities. SO many more pressures to be dealt with. Seriously you guys need new leadership, we all do.

For the op, It was illegal to LOC in that location. Even if the parking lot is private property it is not covered unless it is gated.

That could have not been more perfectly said. Now if only our *****, blind CA legislation realized this.

[Librarian]

hello, today my girlfriend, daughter and I walked into a gun store and before we walked in, I noticed this guy was open carrying a handgun in a holster on his right side. When I passed him, I glanced at his gun and noticed there was a mag inside the well so, I assumed it was loaded and ready to go. This guy was middle aged and did not have any law enforcement attire and actually drove up in a Phantom! Well, I wanna know if this is legal? I thought UOC was illegal now and if you have a CCW it MUST be concealed.

That's very odd behavior.

Fowler's in Orange is not located in a place where it's legal to discharge a firearm, so it isn't likely to be legal to LOC.

There is a LOC version of the LTC, but it's good only in the county of issue, and Orange is too populous to have that version, so it is unlikely to be based on that kind of LTC. Besides there seems to be none of that version active anywhere in the state.

Not in uniform so not a BSIS-licensed security guard on duty.

Not in uniform, so not a uniformed LEO.

Might still be plainclothes LEO.