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  • dondo
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2006
    • 1887

    Another STUPID mag question........

    Is it legal to purchase AR 30 rd mag rebuild kits and turn them into 10 round mags? I did search but I am the human equivelant of a head of lettuce. I think if its done the modification has to be permanent or something of this nature. Any help would be...well...helpful. I'd like to see some pmag 10/30. They are tre' sexy.
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    hoffmang
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Apr 2006
    • 18448

    It is legal but you need to be very careful making sure that the modification that limits the magazine to 10 rounds is both very permanent (reversing it should cause structural damage to the magazine) and will only hold 10 rounds.

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    • #3
      FEDUPWBS
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2006
      • 2187

      Originally posted by hoffmang
      It is legal but you need to be very careful making sure that the modification that limits the magazine to 10 rounds is both very permanent (reversing it should cause structural damage to the magazine) and will only hold 10 rounds.

      -Gene
      Its tough to weld aluminum to plastic just buy a 10/20-30 lest you get in trouble.
      Originally posted by ChrisO
      My solar tac grip wrap just slides off if I pull on it... I can tighten it down as much as I can and it will still slide off. I got it for a regular AK PG and it's on a standard romanian bakelite I think PG... What should I do? I kept the mag lock installed just in case this would happen...

      Originally posted by stphnman20
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      • #4
        JHC
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2005
        • 1382

        Aluminum?

        It's easy enough to permanently fix a Pmag to be a 10 rounder, find out where you want your follower to stop it's travel then drill a hole all the way through the mag body and insert a length of CF rod and use epoxy to keep it there. It will look like a regular 30 rounder, be legal, and you'd have to ruin it to turn it back into a 30. You can epoxy the floorplate on for added peace of mind.

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        • #5
          FEDUPWBS
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2006
          • 2187

          bet I can get that epoxy off without ruining the mag. Since "mag rebuild kits" are not much cheaper than commercial 10/20s why bother.
          Originally posted by ChrisO
          My solar tac grip wrap just slides off if I pull on it... I can tighten it down as much as I can and it will still slide off. I got it for a regular AK PG and it's on a standard romanian bakelite I think PG... What should I do? I kept the mag lock installed just in case this would happen...

          Originally posted by stphnman20
          What is a FEDUPWBS?

          Originally posted by weezil_boi
          ( Yes, FEDUP... you were right ).Just 1.5 cents

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          • #6
            Blue
            Calguns Addict
            • Oct 2005
            • 8074

            why does it have to destroy the mag if you un-10/20 it?
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            • #7
              JHC
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2005
              • 1382

              Originally posted by FEDUPWBS
              bet I can get that epoxy off without ruining the mag. Since "mag rebuild kits" are not much cheaper than commercial 10/20s why bother.
              You might but you'd end up with a big hole in it. I could easily restore the commercial 10/20s available without destroying them as well, the Bushmaster mags take about 20 seconds to undo and the other versions sold by the vendors here can be undone pretty quickly too.

              My point is that nothing is truely permanent and someone that is determined will find a way to do what they want (yeah it would be stupid since they could just break the law by assembling a rebuild kit instead).

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              • #8
                ar15barrels
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Jan 2006
                • 57188

                Originally posted by hoffmang
                It is legal but you need to be very careful making sure that the modification that limits the magazine to 10 rounds is both very permanent (reversing it should cause structural damage to the magazine) and will only hold 10 rounds.
                Who determines exactly what this "permanent" is?

                Most of the 10/20 and 10/30 are easily reversible without destroying the mags.
                A common method is to install a pop-rivet to limit follower travel.
                Pop-rivets are certainly removable.

                Does a single hole in the magazine body constitute "structural damage"?
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                • #9
                  dondo
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 1887

                  Originally posted by FEDUPWBS
                  bet I can get that epoxy off without ruining the mag. Since "mag rebuild kits" are not much cheaper than commercial 10/20s why bother.
                  The whole point is to make some 10/30 P Mag magazines. Thats why I am bothering. AND I am a big fan of following the law so I am just asking as to limit my chances of getting it in the rear in a prison shower. Thanks.
                  Last edited by dondo; 12-09-2007, 7:27 AM.

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                  • #10
                    SemiAutoSam
                    Banned
                    • Apr 2006
                    • 9130

                    SO you dont mind taking it in the rear you just are selectve where and by who ? LOL

                    Originally posted by dondo
                    The whole point is to make some 10/30 P Mag magazines. Thats why I am bothering. AND I am a big fan of following the law so I am just asking as to limit my chances of getting it in the rear in a prison shower. Thanks.

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                    • #11
                      ar15barrels
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Jan 2006
                      • 57188

                      Originally posted by SemiAutoSam
                      SO you dont mind taking it in the rear you just are selectve where and by who ? LOL
                      Only a lawyer would think that way.
                      "hmmm, his statement means he's not averse to anal sex.
                      I guess I can try."

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                      • #12
                        Blacktail 8541
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2006
                        • 1567

                        BT 8541

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                        • #13
                          dondo
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2006
                          • 1887

                          Don't ask, don't tell.

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                          • #14
                            ar15barrels
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Jan 2006
                            • 57188

                            Originally posted by dondo
                            I am just asking as to limit my chances of getting it in the rear in a prison shower.
                            Originally posted by SemiAutoSam
                            SO you dont mind taking it in the rear you just are selectve where and by who ?
                            Technically, he does not care who, just as long as it's not in a prison shower.
                            Randall Rausch

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                            Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
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                            • #15
                              dondo
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2006
                              • 1887

                              If Sam takes a shower and wears something silk and polyester, AND as long as its not prison.......anything is possible. After a bottle of Pinot Noir and Sam telling me all about his heroics in 'Nam, my clothes might just melt away. Sam....call me.

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