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  • A-J
    Veteran Member
    • Dec 2011
    • 2586

    Why so one sided?

    After reading Lott's book and reading the papers on the various detracotrs of his work, I wonder how the publicity ended up so one sided. I mean, Lott used a crap load of real world data, and it comes out in favor of guns. The opposition, instead of using facts and figures, just says "he's FOS and works for the gun lobby so ignore him" and that's the end of the story. That would be like being declared a winner in a debate with someone by saying "Yeah, well F- YOU!" instead of coming back with a stronger argument based on facts.

    It also seems like none of the anti-gun crowd have even looked at how many gun laws there are, but insist we need more. The latest of course being F&F, where none of the antis bothered to realize that straw purchasing is already illegal and the feds told the gun shops to let it happen.

    /rant/
    It was not a threat. It was an exaggerated response to an uncompromising stance. I was taught never to make a threat unless you are prepared to carry it out and I am not a fan of carrying anything. Even watching other people carrying things makes me uncomfortable. Mainly because of the possibility they may ask me to help.
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    CHS
    Moderator Emeritus
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Jan 2008
    • 11338

    Originally posted by A-J
    After reading Lott's book and reading the papers on the various detracotrs of his work, I wonder how the publicity ended up so one sided. I mean, Lott used a crap load of real world data, and it comes out in favor of guns. The opposition, instead of using facts and figures, just says "he's FOS and works for the gun lobby so ignore him" and that's the end of the story. That would be like being declared a winner in a debate with someone by saying "Yeah, well F- YOU!" instead of coming back with a stronger argument based on facts.
    Because the people that are in the positions of power to make the dissemination of truth actually happen, are the anti's.

    It's really as simple as that.

    Plus, us humans are kinda dumb and generally side towards emotion vs logic or fact.
    Please read the Calguns Wiki
    Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.
    --Cesare, Marquis of Beccaria, "On Crimes and Punishment"

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    • #3
      viet4lifeOC
      Veteran Member
      • May 2010
      • 4888

      I read Adam Winkler's Gun Fight recently. He fairly presented the distractors to the two leading studies for and against gun control.

      Great read.

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      • #4
        gumby
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2007
        • 2329

        Lott used to be an anti at Florida State. He did the study to prove we needed stricter gun laws but the results changed his mind. His detractors are his former friends and colleagues at FSU.

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        • #5
          JagerDog
          I need a LIFE!!
          • May 2011
          • 15833

          Originally posted by CHS
          Because the people that are in the positions of power to make the dissemination of truth actually happen, are the anti's.

          It's really as simple as that.

          Plus, us humans are kinda dumb and generally side towards emotion vs logic or fact.
          ding ding.

          He who controls the media, controls the message.
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          #Blackolivesmatter

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          • #6
            A-J
            Veteran Member
            • Dec 2011
            • 2586

            That's really sad. I recently read a very good quote. SOmething along the lines of:

            A discussion is an exchange of ideas, and argument is an exchange of ignorance.

            To my mind, it really seems like the anti folks are so caught up in their own rhetroic, they can't see (logic and reason) beyond their own misguided ideas. If they were religious folks, they would be called fronge zealots. But since "It's for the children" noone stops to look at whether their positions are even supported by any facts.

            I've only been really looking into the issue for a couple months now, and so far I've found plenty of credible support for increased gun ownership being a crime deterrent, and no facts or information (that was not 100% anecdotal or plain made up) that supported the position that restricting legal gun ownership has any net effect on reducing "gun" crime.
            It was not a threat. It was an exaggerated response to an uncompromising stance. I was taught never to make a threat unless you are prepared to carry it out and I am not a fan of carrying anything. Even watching other people carrying things makes me uncomfortable. Mainly because of the possibility they may ask me to help.

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            • #7
              johnny_22
              CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
              • Oct 2005
              • 2180

              There is a bias in the media.

              Rise of the Anti-Media: In-forming America's Concealed Weapon Carry Movement
              by Brian Anse Patrick documents how one sided the stories are about guns in the main-stream media. It is not just our perception. I recommend his two books, expensive though they are.

              The other is:

              The National Rifle Association and the Media: The Motivating Force of Negative Coverage (Frontiers in Political Communications, Vol. 1)
              Please, join the NRA.
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              • #8
                Tarn_Helm
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2007
                • 2126

                Anti's control the media.

                Originally posted by CHS
                Because the people that are in the positions of power to make the dissemination of truth actually happen, are the anti's.

                It's really as simple as that.

                Plus, us humans are kinda dumb and generally side towards emotion vs logic or fact.
                This ^ pretty much summarizes the problem.

                Next question?

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