Employer has no firearm policy

[winnre]

No NEED to carry, but no need for the fire extinguisher on the wall either.

[Tripper]

Your are 100% wrong unless he and his employer signed any other type of contract he can be be fired or quit AT WILL. The only thing those policies help the company or the employee with is if the person breaks the rules over and over they can be denied unemployment compensation. In other words if they fire him for legally carrying his gun and they did not have a policy against it he can still get unemployment.

no, i'm not wrong, been there personally
I'm passing this along as a result of personal experience, dealing with exactly this, I am living proof that i am not 100% wrong, there is simply circumstances that removes a company from the at-will rule, although companies will get away with it IF you dont challenge it.

if a company is under 50, they can of course always terminate an employee without giving a reason, if an employer EVER gave a reason to anyone they have EVER fired, they are no longer under the AT-WILL protection, it either applies across the board or not at all, it cant be dynamic. you just need a decent lawyer.

if a company has a disciplinary policy, it likely includes things that can lead up to termination

thats just 2 examples

take a look at your own company's disciplinary policy, (companies over 50 are required to have one, and i'm pretty sure reasons for termination must be covered in such policy)
if they have one, tell me exactly where at-will is mentioned, it may very well be mentioned, but usually isnt as there is typically disciplinary procedure which nullifies at-will

if your company is >50 and doesnt have a policy in place, they need to seriously talk to a business law professional

we wont even mention union

but its ok, go with your version, I wish the best of luck to employers that follow that advise

but really, i'm not a lawyer, you can either consider what i've said, or you can choose to ignore it, good luck either way

[Burbur]

Unfortunately, people who keep and/or bear arms are not members of a protected class, even though I think we should be.

We are: a minority group, specifically protected by the constitution, discriminated against, harassed, shall I go on? (maybe in a different thread)

[geeknow]

My bosses only rule on guns is 'if its a cool one, you better show me' type rule.

I would approach them from an 'i have a ltc, and just wanted to make sure you were ok with it' position, and see what they say.

[David2531]

no, i'm not wrong, been there personally
I'm passing this along as a result of personal experience, dealing with exactly this, I am living proof that i am not 100% wrong, there is simply circumstances that removes a company from the at-will rule, although companies will get away with it IF you dont challenge it.

if a company is under 50, they can of course always terminate an employee without giving a reason, if an employer EVER gave a reason to anyone they have EVER fired, they are no longer under the AT-WILL protection, it either applies across the board or not at all, it cant be dynamic. you just need a decent lawyer.

if a company has a disciplinary policy, it likely includes things that can lead up to termination

thats just 2 examples

take a look at your own company's disciplinary policy, (companies over 50 are required to have one, and i'm pretty sure reasons for termination must be covered in such policy)
if they have one, tell me exactly where at-will is mentioned, it may very well be mentioned, but usually isnt as there is typically disciplinary procedure which nullifies at-will

if your company is >50 and doesnt have a policy in place, they need to seriously talk to a business law professional

we wont even mention union

but its ok, go with your version, I wish the best of luck to employers that follow that advise

but really, i'm not a lawyer, you can either consider what i've said, or you can choose to ignore it, good luck either way

Let me try and help you out here since you seem to be unable to look it up for yourself although I'm sure with "your experience" you will find that I am still wrong.



FYI there are many jobs such as Government jobs or Union jobs were you are correct but then again those are contracts not policies.. So I guess you are right you were not 100% wrong more like 99%

Maybe a lawyer out there could jump in and if I am wrong I will gladly admit it.

[Librarian]

Drifting rather badly, but since it is at least somewhat related to the original question...

Some things to read:
Labor Code 2922

An employment, having no specified term, may be terminated at
the will of either party on notice to the other. Employment for a
specified term means an employment for a period greater than one
month.

http://www.laboremploymentlawblog.com/termination-california-supreme-court-confirms-atwill-means-at-any-time.html

http://www.meyersnave.com/publications/supreme-court-confirms-doctrine-will-employment

http://www.ca-employment-lawyers.com/Wrongful-Termination.htm

http://www.lcwlegal.com/67939

http://www.businessknowhow.com/manage/justcausevsfreewill.htm

[Tripper]

like i said before
go with your version
good luck

[Mana4real]

This is funny because I am in a similar position. I'm really considering going for a CCW. So I'm checking all my bases before I do it. I don't work in the best of areas, so carrying at work would make me feel a lot better. I spoke with the controller about weapons at work today which is a big no no. But I brought up how would it be if I had a conceal carry? He said "hmmmm, the hand book doesn't cover that." So he's going to look into it. I can't afford to lose my job, but if I have to leave it locked in the car, then I just might have to. I'm weighting it. I know some of the public I deal with on a daily basis are armed. So it would make me feel a LOT better carrying. Hopefully this works out for the best and I can get a permit.

[mrblah]

I've been laid off in this great state of California. They don't have to give you a reason. When I went to get a lawyer, the lawyer basically stated that in California,(which is a At-Will state) they can fire you at any time without giving you a reason (there are some very SPECIFIC exceptions).

If I had a CCW, It would depend on the environment in which I work in, if I were going to carry or not. I wouldn't tell anyone either. Now, if your company has a policy against firearms, and you value your job, I wouldn't carry it.

[Toyman321]

People need to get away from at-will state idea
It doesn't work as easily as suggested please quit acting like it does
As an example; this OP stated the company had a policy on just about everything, that likely includes disciplinary policies, which ultimately means its not at-will any longer
Please quit touting at-will idea, it's not as easy done/applied as said

You are 100% dead wrong, as stated numerous times above. If you are an at will employee firing you is easier than hiring you, literally. We have policies on just about everything too, we also have an at will statement in our contract. I've hired and fired more people that I could remember.

[Tripper]

Ok
I imagined everything
From labor board to Arbitrator to the judge

[Tripper]

I was about to go into detail and it dawned on me that the major contributing factor could have been it being a publicly traded company, which could be what really changed everything, somewhere fed law could have prevailed as a result of being publicly traded.
End result
I won for being terminated without cause

[ham]

as long as its out of sight out of mind and you can keep it that way, cary. Being that this is an At-will state they could fire you if you prefer 9mm over .45acp

[SDM44]

IMO, I believe these 2 things here......

Concealed means concealed, as in no one can see it. If you were to carry concealed at work how would anyone (besides you and all of us) even know about it?

It's my opinion that asking HR will just get a no-guns policy in most California businesses.

However, it's always ways to check out your company policy manual. These days, it'll be on the firm website or local intranet page that you can access and review. Just do a search for weapons and you may see something like this (like at my company).....

All ***** employees are prohibited from the possession of explosives, firearms, knives (or other weapons of any type, including any instrument or weapon that is specially designed, made, or adapted for the purpose of inflicting serious bodily injury or death), while in the workplace or elsewhere while on company business, and at all functions sponsored by the company. Violations may result in termination and may be reported to law enforcement authorities if appropriate.

Employees should report threats of violence and volatile situations to their immediate supervisor or the Human Resources Department.

Pretty self explanatory there. But if there's NO mention of firearms and/or weapons with specifics and disciplinary actions, then do the above mentioned (keep it to yourself).

[BassNut]

Hmmm mine just says no firearms or dogs in company vehicles or on jobsites. Since I'm on car allowance (my own vehicle) and if I left "it" locked in my vehicle while at work I would think I'm good. No I wouldn't leave my dog in a hot car. LoL