Rifle diagnostic targets

[Broccoliboy]

I am teaching 4-H shooting this year, and have been trying to teach the kids how to shoot. One of the problems I have is that a couple of kids are grouping well, but are consistently a couple of inches off target. I shoot their rifle, and I am right on. Is there any similarity to a pistol diagnostic that I can use to help them improve their aim?

We are shooting .22 rifle at 10 meters, if that helps.

Thanks, Joe

[foesgth]

The kids are high!

You didn't mention what kind of sights you are using. Everyone gets a different cheek weld on the stock. They may have the sights lined up and due to the different position on the stock shoot different from you. This is seen less on scopes. With open sights you just need to adjust for the smaller person. We see this at Appleseed shoots all the time.

[Broccoliboy]

Everyone, except one, is using open factory sights, Scopes can be used, however

[r3dn3ck]

sounds like they're able to aim consistently and just need to be taught to not ride the wood and to use the sights in the correct alignment.

[hk91666]

Are they a couple of inches high and you right on. You didn't say what and where the differences were. Then they haven't been taught a iron sighted rifle to use 6 o'clock hold . They may be aiming right on the x as opposed to below the x-ring. My two cents. The way I learned was rifles 6 o'clock hold combat pistols right on intended point of impact. JMHO

[Fjold]

Actually it's rare for two people to shoot open sites to the exact same point of aim. The difference in face shape, eye position, etc. makes the eye sit in different positions related to the rear sight which changes the point of impact.

[Broccoliboy]

Are they a couple of inches high and you right on. You didn't say what and where the differences were. Then they haven't been taught a iron sighted rifle to use 6 o'clock hold . They may be aiming right on the x as opposed to below the x-ring. My two cents. The way I learned was rifles 6 o'clock hold combat pistols right on intended point of impact. JMHO

Well, thinking about it, Two of them are to the right, and one was low. How do you mean 6 o'clock hold?

[SanPedroShooter]

[hk91666]

That is 6o'clock thanks sanpedro

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[BKinzey]

Adjust the sights.

The grouping is more important than being in the black. It's better to have a 5 shot group all touch and be outside the black then to have all 5 shots in the black but none touching.

Google "Basic Rifle Marksmanship"

[ocabj]

Your zero and the zero of another person can vary (even if point of aim / hold is the same). It will also vary with the positions.

For example, when I shoot standing, I have to dial two clicks right (1/2 MOA) from my mechanical zero because I shoot with an inboard cant (sights tipped towards my face by pushing the pistol grip / bottom of rifle away from body).

This article I wrote on sight picture has a photo of my cant: http://www.ocabj.net/?p=760