illegal to own?

[Roth999]

O.K. newbie here so...

Question. A buddy has a Kel-Tec .32 he lives in Wa. and is coming down to visit.

1. Can he drive down here and sell me the gun?
(I know there are plenty of legal mouse guns, I own a Seacamp .32 and I know you can't register a Kel-Tec .32)

2. I know it's on the list, does that mean it's illegal to possess one in Ca.?

3. If I took it to the range am I going to get in trouble?

Hope I didn't come across as a moron.

[chillincody]

O.K. newbie here so...

Question. A buddy has a Kel-Tec .32 he lives in Wa. and is coming down to visit.

1. Can he drive down here and sell me the gun?
(I know there are plenty of legal mouse guns, I own a Seacamp .32 and I know you can't register a Kel-Tec .32)

2. I know it's on the list, does that mean it's illegal to possess one in Ca.?

3. If I took it to the range am I going to get in trouble?

Hope I didn't come across as a moron.

I might be wrong but I think if he were to come down it would legal with ppt but he is not a ca resident so i dunno

[alfred1222]

you arent coming across as a moron. as i understand it, and i could be wrong, but you can own guns that are on the list, as long as you go through the single shot exemption process. but, since hes from another state, idk how that effects the process, because a ppt doesnt make you have to go through the SSE. it wouldnt be illegal to shoot at the range, go ahead.

On a side note, Welcome to Calguns!!!!!!

[Grumpyoldretiredcop]

Because your buddy is from out of state, the sale would not be a PPT. It's the same as if you bought the pistol on Gunbroker (for example) and had it shipped to a CA FFL. The pistol has to be transferred to a CA FFL in order to be transferred to you. No CA FFL can then transfer a pistol that is not on the Roster from an out-of-state seller to you unless you are Roster exempt (a peace officer, for example) or you utilize the single-shot exemption process (if you don't know what that is, search this site for "single-shot exemption" or just "SSE" and read up on it). At least, that's the way I understand it. If someone has a better understanding or can quote the relevant sections, please correct me.

If your buddy and you take it to the range and you shoot it, there's no issue. I wouldn't care to express an opinion as to whether your taking the pistol to the range without your buddy constitutes a "loan" or a "transfer". The Penal Code section that I think is on point in that event is:

27880. Section 27545 does not apply to the loan of a firearm between persons who are personally known to each other, if all of the following requirements are satisfied:
(a) The loan is infrequent, as defined in Section 16730.
(b) The loan is for any lawful purpose.
(c) The loan does not exceed 30 days in duration.
(d) If the firearm is a handgun, the individual being loaned the
handgun shall have a valid handgun safety certificate.

I can't find anything regarding the issue of whether the weapon has been brought into CA by a non-resident having any effect on the above. Before taking this as advice, though, read the sig line below.

[socalpistolero]

I BELEIVE BOTH HAVE TO BE CA RESIDENTS FOR PPT. I WAS AT A TURNERS AND OBSERVED TO MEN WANTING TO DO A PPT, ONE OF THE PERSONS WAS NOT A CA RESIDENT AND THEY REFUSED TO DO THE TRANSFER.

[chim-chim7]

Simple answer is "NO". Please read stickies.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=503873

[Roth999]

O.K.read the sticky and still not clear. A lot of "can't go out of state to buy a listed gun stuff.

And someone can't bring a listed gun into Ca.

1. I saw a Kel-Tec .32 for sale here (pretty sure)
How do you sell a gun in Ca. that is on on the list?

2. New scenario: You take a Kel-Tec .32 to the range. Someone going report you?
Are you going to get arrested?

Just asking, because I'm still not clear on the laws regarding possessing a gun on the list.

(yes I can read and to tell you the truth, you need someone that can decipher that stuff.)

[chim-chim7]

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Transferring_firearms_Interstate

Did you read the Wiki link to interstate tranfer? Owning a off-roster gun is not illegal as long as that gun is not a assault weapon. Buying a gun from your buddy in WA. isnt going to fly. He has to be a California resident. Using the gun at the range is fine, just make sure it doesnt have features that would make it an assault weapon in California. That would be a felony.

[rromeo]

O.K. newbie here so...

Question. A buddy has a Kel-Tec .32 he lives in Wa. and is coming down to visit.

1. Can he drive down here and sell me the gun?
(I know there are plenty of legal mouse guns, I own a Seacamp .32 and I know you can't register a Kel-Tec .32)

2. I know it's on the list, does that mean it's illegal to possess one in Ca.?

3. If I took it to the range am I going to get in trouble?

Hope I didn't come across as a moron.

Where do you see it on the list?

[Oceanbob]

1. Welcome to Cal Guns.!

2. Your friend can bring any handgun he wants as long as it is not an Assault weapon or has magazines over 10 rounds.

3. Shooting Range personal are not law enforcement. They are $10 per hour employees and are only concerned about Safety Issues. No one is going to check you or your friend out over what-ever-handgun you decide to shoot.
I show up at various ranges with my legally owned assault weapons Including my MAC 10s with 30 round magazines and shoot all day. No one has ever asked; no one is going to ask. It's not their business. Do you honestly think some shooting range clown is going to ask you about a Kel-Tec 32?...LOL. Get real.

4. There are many ways to obtain an 'OFF ROSTER' handgun in this State. If you're willing to jump thru some hoops you can own just about anything (not an assault weapon). For example:

a. You can import from out-of-State an off roster (for example) a GEN 4, Glock 21 by what's called a Single Shot Exemption. This involves making the weapon single shot by installing a blocked magazine and a very long barrel). These modifications (not permanent) allows an FFL to transfer this off list GLOCK to you. You pay for it when it arrives; wait the 10 days, go pick it up. Walk out the door. Turn around, walk back into the FFLs shop and remove the long barrel and special magazine, turn around and go home. At home you install the normal glock barrel and insert the normal magazine. Everything is perfectly legal. See the HOOPS you have to jump thru.?.. Read the sticky on SSE above. Since the KEL TEC 32 is only a $200 dollar gun at best, not many people will jump thru those hoops for the KEL TEC. Guns worth Hoop Jumping are rare HKs (P30, HK45), Glock gen 4s, Several 1911 platform pistols...etc...Really the KEL TEC is bottom of the barrel in regards to this option.

b. Another option to get an OFF ROSTER handgun is via Family Transfer. For instance, your Grandma lives in Washington (or out of State) , she can buy you the KEL TEC 32 and ship it VIA FFL to your FFL here in Kalifornistan. She mentions in a one page letter that she wants you to have this KEL TEC 32 as a gift and encloses a copy of her ID on the same one page letter. The FFL can then type into his software (CDOJ DROS) *12078PC -Exempt from Roster*
This works for ANY handgun (not assault weapons or over 10 round mags) and it works up and down a vertical family tree, son to dad, to grand parents, back on down. Never from friends, brothers or cousins..etc.
Gifts from family are not taxed either. However the FFL will charge you whatever he wants; ask him first. Some FFLs are not up to speed on this exemption.

c. Another option to obtain an OFF ROSTER handgun is to buy one from via Private Party Transfer. (PPT). How they obtained the gun is not important. They could have done a SSE, or Dad sent it too them as a gift recently or perhaps the seller is/was Law Enforcement and exempt from the Roster. Either way, you can legally buy that handgun.

Be sure and follow the laws regarding this; no use losing your gun rights over a $200 plastic handgun that shoots expensive ammo...

Be well, Bob

O.K.read the sticky and still not clear. A lot of "can't go out of state to buy a listed gun stuff.

And someone can't bring a listed gun into Ca.

1. I saw a Kel-Tec .32 for sale here (pretty sure)
How do you sell a gun in Ca. that is on on the list?

2. New scenario: You take a Kel-Tec .32 to the range. Someone going report you?
Are you going to get arrested?

Just asking, because I'm still not clear on the laws regarding possessing a gun on the list.

(yes I can read and to tell you the truth, you need someone that can decipher that stuff.)

[Librarian]

As already noted, the Roster is not applicable to possession or use; it applies to which guns a CA-licensed FFL may transfer to CA buyers who are not themselves exempt from the Roster (LEO, primarily).

So, a visitor to CA may bring in any handgun not otherwise forbidden, such as 'assault weapons'.

Grumpyoldretiredcop, as well as others, got it right.