PPT Fees

[Joe Register]

Is there somewhere that clearly spells out what the fees should be for PPTs that involve various amounts of handguns and long guns in the same transaction? The amount seems to differ everywhere I go. Today I was charged the most I have ever been charged for a two gun transfer with a single individual (1 handgun and 1 rifle). I have never been charged tax on a PPT before. Are these charges correct?

[ArmyMedicMoose]

the Dealer fee is taxable. Some placed only charge 5 for a dealer fee. The law only states they cant charge more then 35 per PPT

[ArmyMedicMoose]

I don't understand why we get mad at dealers doing a service for you and trying to make a little cash to stay in business

[GUNFREAK]

the Dealer fee is taxable. Some placed only charge 5 for a dealer fee. The law only states they cant charge more then 35 per PPT

+1.

[CSACANNONEER]

That's the normal rate for a PPT involving one handgun and one long gun. All handgun DROSes have to be done on separate DROSes so, there's one DROS and one FFL fee. Your long gun involves a second DROS and second FFL fee. As far as tax goes, don't blame the FFL for collecting it. He he to pay the state somehow. Do you really expect him to pay your taxes for you? I thought only left wing democrates thought that way.

[Joe Register]

Can someone actually point me to the definition of a transaction for fee purposes. What isn't clear to me is where the fees apply. If there is a dealer fee for the transaction, then how is it applied? Does the requirement for two separate dros's mean that it is two separate transactions or is it one single transaction that requires two dros's? I recall until a few years ago ppts included handguns and long guns for the same $25 dros fee. Why did it change and what is the point of requiring two seperate background checks for the same transaction. As for the taxes I have never paid them before on the dealer fee. Why is it required now. What I am looking for is facts and source reference material. What I am not looking for are extraneous comments on me being mad at this dealer or trying to cheat on taxes. I didn't say anything negative about Grants. They performed the transfers quickly and efficiently. Furthermore I do not consider paying transfer fees as a primary method of support. Rather I think of the $600 in ammo I bought a few months ago or the thousands of dollars in fishing and camping gear I picked up there as support for Grants. Do me a favor guys and help me understand the exact fee structure. Drama and false controversy do nothing to advance the discussion.

[John Browning]

I don't understand why we get mad at dealers doing a service for you and trying to make a little cash to stay in business

People get upset because occasionally dealers will decide to make up the law as they go and charge them more than the law allows. In this case, there is no problem with them charging two DROS fees since they had to do them on two separate forms.

It is pretty hard to feel oh so grateful to the dealer who so kindly takes their time to climb down off their pedestal and then tries to rip someone off on a PPT fee. I easily spend north of 10k a year on guns and ammo and such. One local dealer treated me like crap on my first visit to their store because I was there for a PPT. I've never gone back, and his bottom line would certainly look better if he hadn't treated me like someone bothering him. I give 100% of my business to J&R in Livermore. They treat you right and wouldn't try to bend the law and bend over a customer "to make a little cash to stay in business." Last month I did a PPT there and spent $300 on impulse buys because the employee was so helpful.

[CSACANNONEER]

People get upset because occasionally dealers will decide to make up the law as they go and charge them more than the law allows. In this case, there is no problem with them charging two DROS fees since they had to do them on two separate forms.

Not only is there no problem with the dealer "charging twice", the dealer has to send all the DROS fees to the state. In reality, the state is chraging for DROS and the FFL is just acting as a tax fee collector.

[Mike's Custom]

Actually, the dealer fee is not taxable. It is a labor charge and labor is not taxable. Same with what most call a dealer transfer fee. I do not call it a fee but a labor charge and it is not taxable.

A PPT is a single DROS Tansaction. A hand gun is done with one firearm and one DROS so that is $25 + the PPT charge of $10 while the long gun PPT is one DROS transaction + the $10 PPT charge. If you are purchasing more then one PPT longgun then it is $25 DROS +$10 charge per DROS entry.

[Yemff]

http://oag.ca.gov/firearms/dlrfaqs#18G

[Eddy's Shooting Sports]

When I opened my shop, I did PPT's as a courtesy for just the DROS fee. The problem is 95% of the people want to pay with a credit card. This means it costs me $$$ out of pocket to transfer folks guns, let alone the list revenue and hidden costs.

I predict that someday there will be an industry revolt that will force the state to deal with PPT's themselves or at least remove the fee cap. Think about it. Do you buy a used car and take it to a dealer to transfer it? Nope. You take it to the DMV. maybe the DMV should get some DROS training and start doing the PPT's?

[sfhondapilot]

http://oag.ca.gov/firearms/dlrfaqs#18G

Thanks for that link. I am going to bookmark it on my phone.

[John Browning]

When I opened my shop, I did PPT's as a courtesy for just the DROS fee. The problem is 95% of the people want to pay with a credit card. This means it costs me $$$ out of pocket to transfer folks guns, let alone the list revenue and hidden costs.

I predict that someday there will be an industry revolt that will force the state to deal with PPT's themselves or at least remove the fee cap. Think about it. Do you buy a used car and take it to a dealer to transfer it? Nope. You take it to the DMV. maybe the DMV should get some DROS training and start doing the PPT's?

I think that was really cool of you to do them at cost. The PPT should be seen as a blessing for gun shops if you look at it correctly. The state has mandated that people go into your shop. Foot traffic usually costs money in advertising, but you're getting it for free. If you know how to talk to customers and find out what they need, and treat them right, you should be able to make money on a PPT that day, or even better generate a return customer. It shouldn't take you more than a few minutes to do one, and at $10 plus the sale of a lock you shouldn't be taking a major hit.

There is no way they'll lift the fee cap. If someone has to pay $80 to do a PPT, you'll just see a lot more people saying "F that" and doing illegal transfers FTF.

[tenpercentfirearms]

DROS is not taxable. PPT fees are not taxable either as the retail sale of tangible personal property has not taken place.

Non-PPT transfers fees are most certainly taxable.

Everyone needs to re-read this I suppose.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=366781