CA registration ..

[xenophobe]

Actually, anyone you know can "lend" you a firearm for up to 30 days, if I remember correctly.

[jester]

if your brother is a CA resident, and the rifle is OLDER THAN 50 YEARS OLD (C&R status isn't enough, the individual firearm's age *MUST* be 50 years old or older) then yes...

& C&R longgun MUST be in orig config.

[ke6guj]

& C&R longgun MUST be in orig config.

Per who? Have anything in writing that a C&R that is a C&R due to age must stay in orig config?

[xenophobe]

Per who? Have anything in writing that a C&R that is a C&R due to age must stay in orig config?

Yes, because if you modify it, it is no longer a C&R.

[bridgeport]

There is another source of information which can be accessed by the DOJ, and that is the bound book which all licensed FFLs must keep which records in and out all firearms which are aquired and disposed of. The bound book
will have the type of arm transferred, person or entity aquiring the arm,
date of transfer and anthing else the FFL wants to note. The bound book must be shown to the ATF/ DOJ upon request and must be maintained throughout the active life of the FFL and if the FFL ceases business or to maintain the license must be turned over to the ATF. So, essentially the gov has access into perpetuity of all transactions done though any FFL dealer or manufacturer or to a lesser degree C&R holder.

[ke6guj]

Yes, because if you modify it, it is no longer a C&R.

Yes, you have something in writing that anything modified is no longer a C&R?

The only thing that I have seen related to this is imported military firearms not being C&R if modified. That is because they were imported as C&R due to configuration, not due to age.

[thedrickel]

Yes, you have something in writing that anything modified is no longer a C&R?

The only thing that I have seen related to this is imported military firearms not being C&R if modified. That is because they were imported as C&R due to configuration, not due to age.

Read this letter, the answer is on the third page:

http://www.geocities.com/zatoh_100/Firearms/TT33_CR_STATUS.PDF

. . . the Firearms Technology Branch (FTB) has concluded that a firearm must be in its original configuration to be considered a C&R weapon.

In regards to this thread, the DOJ gets no info on a long gun DROS besides # of long guns, but they have been known to copy information from FFL's bound books, which is illegal IIRC.

[ke6guj]

Read this letter, the answer is on the third page:

http://www.geocities.com/zatoh_100/F..._CR_STATUS.PDF

Thank you. Everyone says that, but there hasn't been documentation to back it up. A letter 3 weeks old, can't get much more clear than that.

[Stormfeather]

Don't believe it

While local agencies are required to destroy the info the feds, FBI do not and it's accessible to the locals.

They know everything you have transfered, legally.

[thedrickel]

Thank you. Everyone says that, but there hasn't been documentation to back it up. A letter 3 weeks old, can't get much more clear than that.

Well, IMO, the letter states the opinion of the ATF FTB. Does that make it the law? Is anyone willing to put a few lawyers' kids thru college to find out?

[ke6guj]

Well, IMO, the letter states the opinion of the ATF FTB. Does that make it the law?

Yup, in 85 they actually published a Ruling. This is just a letter stating the FTB's conclusion.

Oh well, I know of a couple recent determinations that don't seem to agree with the FTB's conclusion. More info on that to follow in a month or two.

[xenophobe]

Well, IMO, the letter states the opinion of the ATF FTB. Does that make it the law?

That is an ATF legal determination letter. It holds far more weight than an opinion letter.

Sure you can fight it, but you're much less likely to win.

[CSACANNONEER]

Don't believe it

While local agencies are required to destroy the info the feds, FBI do not and it's accessible to the locals.

They know everything you have transfered, legally.

OK, I've personally asked two different groups of FBI agents if this was true. While one group of two agents only laughed ad said, "no." The other group said that even if the FBI had that kind of information, their systems are so bad that an agent wouldn't be able to find it!

[Mikey]

OK, I've personally asked two different groups of FBI agents if this was true. While one group of two agents only laughed ad said, "no." The other group said that even if the FBI had that kind of information, their systems are so bad that an agent wouldn't be able to find it!

Next time I see that fbi guy...

Thanks.