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  • 1lostinspace
    Calguns Addict
    • Oct 2006
    • 7848

    How accurate are modern military Assault rifles?

    I own AK's and AR and using m855 green tipped ammo and surplus 7.62x39 your looking at best 2-3 moa. My question is how accurate are rifle like the Styre,FAL,Enfield SA80-IW,G36,Tavor and so forth? And what is the most accurate one?
    There are sniper everywhere and nowhere.....who knows what is out there.

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    Nathan Krynn
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2009
    • 2107

    under STANAG 4172 all NATO uses basicly the same m855 and that ammo like you said is only 2-3 moa. So you are restricted by that.
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    • #3
      1lostinspace
      Calguns Addict
      • Oct 2006
      • 7848

      Originally posted by Nathan Krynn
      under STANAG 4172 all NATO uses basicly the same m855 and that ammo like you said is only 2-3 moa. So you are restricted by that.
      I read on Google that the Brit rifle is so accurate that they had to redo the way people qualified! Lol not sure how accurate it can be using 5.56mm Nato but ok.
      There are sniper everywhere and nowhere.....who knows what is out there.

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      • #4
        Deadbolt
        CGSSA Associate
        • Dec 2009
        • 6552

        "a lot more than they used to be"

        @ a range clean n shoot, a fellow gunner and i swapped implements: I got to shoot his AR (first time shooting an AR!) and he got my 8mm m24/47

        It was like cheating compared to the mauser

        edit: in hindsight, all that proves is im a novice shooter that can shoot more accurately with one rifle vs another. I suppose the mausers were / are dead on in the proper hands. I was happy to hit a human sized gong @ 300yards with iron sights
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        • #5
          Desert_Rat
          Senior Member
          • May 2007
          • 2289

          Minute of bad guy...that's all a guy needs.

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          • #6
            vmwerks
            Norcal Cyclist
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Jun 2009
            • 3502

            Originally posted by 1lostinspace
            I own AK's and AR and using m855 green tipped ammo and surplus 7.62x39 your looking at best 2-3 moa. My question is how accurate are rifle like the Styre,FAL,Enfield SA80-IW,G36,Tavor and so forth? And what is the most accurate one?
            All you need to do is hit a man sized target - even at 600 meters it's easy.

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            • #7
              dalriaden
              Veteran Member
              • Jun 2011
              • 4556

              Originally posted by vmwerks
              All you need to do is hit a man sized target - even at 600 meters it's easy.
              This, I had no problems hitting targets at 600m with my acog or medics eotech with an m4.

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                vmwerks
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                • Jun 2009
                • 3502

                Originally posted by dalriaden
                This, I had no problems hitting targets at 600m with my acog or medics eotech with an m4.
                Exactly my point - you wouldn't have issues with iron sights and a garand either.

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                • #9
                  Army
                  Veteran Member
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 3915

                  Good shooters with open sights have repeatedly done 1moa and better with M16's/AR15's. With glass, they do better.
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                  • #10
                    dotalchemy
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2011
                    • 958

                    Originally posted by 1lostinspace
                    I read on Google that the Brit rifle is so accurate that they had to redo the way people qualified! Lol not sure how accurate it can be using 5.56mm Nato but ok.
                    No, it's pretty accurate. With the SA-80 A1, I took 60/60 at 100m, 60/60 at 200m and 58/60 at 300m with ironsights. Stationary targets, but human sized.

                    It's just horrifically let down by other problems, such as the magazine falling out when running or it jamming if the slightest bit of pollen gets within the same counties airspace.

                    I've heard the SA-80 A2 was better, as HK redesigned parts of it, but I never had the opportunity to shoot it.
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                    • #11
                      USMC 82-86
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 2428

                      We qualified out to 500 yards with just the iron sights on our rifles. That seems pretty accurate to me.
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                      • #12
                        Cali-Shooter
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Oct 2009
                        • 9192

                        As long as said military assault rifle it isn't a Kalashnikov, it'll be accurate. I kid, partially

                        AK47's are accurate within 300 yds. After that, the rainbow trajectory really brings it down.
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                        • #13
                          smle-man
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                          • Jan 2007
                          • 10580

                          Originally posted by dotalchemy
                          No, it's pretty accurate. With the SA-80 A1, I took 60/60 at 100m, 60/60 at 200m and 58/60 at 300m with ironsights. Stationary targets, but human sized.

                          It's just horrifically let down by other problems, such as the magazine falling out when running or it jamming if the slightest bit of pollen gets within the same counties airspace.

                          I've heard the SA-80 A2 was better, as HK redesigned parts of it, but I never had the opportunity to shoot it.
                          The L86 series LSW version of the SA 80 is so accurate it has been withdrawn as the squad auto weapon and made the designtated marksman weapon. It is considered accurate to 600m.

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                          • #14
                            FatalKitty
                            Veteran Member
                            • Apr 2010
                            • 2942

                            Originally posted by USMC 82-86
                            We qualified out to 500 yards with just the iron sights on our rifles. That seems pretty accurate to me.
                            this.
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                            you just fall back on your level of training.

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                            • #15
                              Stormfeather
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Jan 2006
                              • 7739

                              Originally posted by USMC 82-86
                              We qualified out to 500 yards with just the iron sights on our rifles. That seems pretty accurate to me.
                              Exactly.

                              Accuracy is the person pulling the trigger. If the barrel isnt bent and the sights are on, the gun is accurate enough to hit the target. Its the person pulling the trigger that makes a gun inaccurate.
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