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  • ar15barrels
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Jan 2006
    • 56983

    Criminal Use of the 50 Caliber Sniper Rifle

    The following is the text from: http://www.vpc.org/snipercrime.htm

    I have highlighted the actual criminal uses of 50 caliber rifles.
    Interesting to note is that almost all of the VPC data points were other crimes where a 50 BMG was collected as evidence.
    The thing that concerns me are the 4 actual uses that I have bolded.
    Did these crimes all turn into convictions?
    Being arrested is one thing.
    Innocent people get arrested too.
    So how many CONVICTIONS are there for crimes committed directly WITH a 50 BMG?
    It looks like 3 out of 4 of the offenders "darwinned" themselves out of a trial.
    What about the guys that hit the armored car though?
    Did they get caught and convicted?

    Criminal Use of the 50 Caliber Sniper Rifle
    "The simple fact is that .50-calibers have not been used in crimes,"
    NRA spokesman Andrew Arulandam, Associated Press, August 18, 2004

    On September 12, 2007, police in Suffolk County, New York arrested a man and charged him with conspiring to aid tax protesters who had barricaded themselves in their fortified home in New Hampshire in an effort to evade arrest on numerous tax charges. Police seized firearms, including two 50 caliber sniper rifles and a bomb, from the New York man's home. He was charged with conspiracy to impede an officer of the United States, conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States, accessory after the fact and five counts of possession of a firearm in furtherance of a crime of violence. ("Arms seized from Brown ally's home, Two others arraigned in N.H. today" Concord Monitor, September 14, 2007).


    On September 11, 2007, a Salem Oregon man was arrested on charges of second-degree criminal mischief and reckless burning after starting a wildfire by firing armor-piercing incendiary ammunition from a 50 caliber sniper rifle into a tree stump. The fire took days to extinguish and caused major damage to private forest land. The sheriff's department spokesman was quoted as saying, "The problem with a weapon like this is that you can't safely shoot it anywhere." ("Arrest made in Polk County wildfire: deputies determined high-powered rifle caused fire," Statesman Journal, September 11, 2007).


    On July 16, 2007, police in New Haven, Connecticut arrested a Yale University student for illegal discharge of a firearm, reckless endangerment, and second degree threatening, among other charges. Police seized a 50 caliber sniper rifle, an AR-15 assault rifle, numerous pistols, and "various chemicals" from the student's fraternity house. ("Light '09 arrested for illegal weapons possession," Yale Daily News, July 17, 2007)


    On May 16, 2007, law enforcement officials in Connecticut charged James E. Gasser with multiple crimes in connection with a lengthy standoff with police after the man discharged a firearm in his home. Among the guns police seized from Gasser's home was a 50 caliber sniper rifle along with .50 ammunition. Police had to evacuate neighbors and deploy an armored vehicle because of the risk presented by Gasser's arsenal. ("Police Seize Weapons from Colchester Man," The Hartford Courant, May 16, 2007)


    On April 30, 2007, Arthur A. Garcia of Rice Lake, Wisconsin was arrested on federal charges of being an unlawful drug user in possession of firearms. An arsenal of weapons was seized from his mobile home, including a Vulcan Arms 50 caliber sniper rifle along with assault weapons, body armor, and armor-piercing ammunition. A police informant stated that he had been to Garcia's home several times in a two month period and during each visit Garcia talked continuously about shooting people. According to the informant's statement, Garcia threatened to shoot his ex-girlfriend and her family while they attended church services. Referring to the recent shootings at Virginia Tech, Garcia stated, "The guy had a good start, but screwed up when he shot himself in the head," according to the informant. Garcia also allegedly told the informant that he (Garcia) would have to be killed but not before he had a body count of 1,000. ("Man with arsenal faces federal charges," The Chronotype Rice Lake Online, May 14, 2007)


    In August of 2006, William Gerald Thomas of Gainesville, Georgia was charged with aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and use of a firearm while under the influence of alcohol for brandishing a rifle and then a machine gun at a bystander after the parents of two 14-year old girls intervened to stop Thomas from harassing the girls at a motel pool. When police executed a search warrant on Thomas' SUV, they found 38 weapons including 50 caliber sniper rifles, assault weapons, and 2,000 rounds of ammunition. ("38 weapons found in man's car," The Walton Sun, August 8, 2006)


    In June of 2006, Anthony Troianello was arrested in Binghamton, New York on illegal weapons charges. The cache of guns that police recovered at his home included several assault weapons, three handguns, and a 50 caliber anti-armor sniper rifle. Authorities also found more than 200 animals on his property, half of which were suffering from maltreatment and required immediate medical attention. ("Man charged with illegally owning firearms, The Associated Press, June 7, 2006)


    In May of 2006, a White Supremacist gang was indicted in Arizona on drug and weapons charges, including the sale to undercover officers of a stolen 50 caliber sniper rifle. The rifle was represented by the gang as powerful enough to destroy an armored car or shoot down a Phoenix Police helicopter. According to a special agent from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms who participated in the investigation, "The destructive capacity of those weapons [50 calibers] makes the streets much safer without them....No question." ("White supremacist gang busted," Arizona Republic, May 20, 2006)


    In January of 2006, a grand jury in Florida indicted ten foreign nationals on charges of attempting to provide material support to the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC), a designated foreign terrorist organization. The indictment alleged that the defendants intended to supply the FARC members with weapons, including 50 50 caliber rifles and two helicopters. ("Foreign Nationals Charged with Attempting to Provide Material Support to Terrorists and Alien Smuggling," Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) News Release, January 27, 2006)


    In March of 2005, Kyle Harness of Marina del Rey, California, was arrested after being pulled over on a traffic stop and found to be in possession of a stolen Armalite 50 caliber sniper rifle. Harness was stopped for having a broken taillight and false registration tags, and was on parole for armed robbery at the time of his arrest. (“Officer Finds Rifle in Parolee’s Car,” Daily Breeze, March 15, 2005)


    In June of 2004, Marvin Heemeyer of Granby, Colorado, plowed a makeshift armored bulldozer into several buildings in response to a zoning dispute and fines for city code violations. Heemeyer armored his 60-ton bulldozer with two sheets of half-inch steel with a layer of concrete between them. He methodically drove the bulldozer through the town of Granby, damaging or leveling 13 buildings before taking his own life. Heemeyer mounted three rifles on the bulldozer, including a Barrett 82A1 50 caliber sniper rifle. ("Man who plowed armored bulldozer into seven buildings in Colorado is dead, authorities say," Associated Press, June 5, 2004; "Armored Dozer Was Bad to Go," Denver Rocky Mountain News, June 25, 2004)
    Slide show of the interior of Heemeyer's bulldozer from the Denver Post
    Last edited by ar15barrels; 11-02-2007, 2:01 AM.
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    ar15barrels
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Jan 2006
    • 56983

    CONTINUED:

    In February of 2004, Donin Wright of Kansas City, Missouri, lured police officers, paramedics, and firefighters to his home where he shot at them with several guns including a Barrett 50 caliber sniper rifle. Authorities discovered at least 20 guns, thousands of rounds of ammunition, and the makings of 20 pipe bombs inside Wright's home. ("Body is Identified in KC Gunfight, Fire," The Kansas City Star, March 30, 2004)
    Slide show of the crime scene from thekansascitychannel.com


    In June of 2000, Robert W. Stewart of Mesa, Arizona, a convicted felon, was charged with felony possession of firearms for being in possession of Maadi-Griffin 50 caliber "kit guns" he was selling from his home, along with other firearms alleged to be in his possession. Stewart has become a folk hero among hard-line gun advocates and 50 caliber enthusiasts. He was distinguished, among other things, by his assertion that convicted felons have the right to possess firearms: "I don't care if he's a mass murderer, he killed 50,000 people. He still has a right to have a gun. A gun is just a tool." (MSNBC transcript, "The .50-caliber militia," http://msnbc.com/newsOn April 28, 1995, Albert Petrosky walked into an Albertson's grocery store in suburban Denver, Colorado, and gunned down his estranged wife and the store manager. Armed with an L.A.R. Grizzly 50 caliber sniper rifle, an SKS Chinese semiautomatic assault rifle, a .32 revolver, and a 9mm semiautomatic pistol, Petrosky then walked out into the shopping center parking lot, where he exchanged fire with a federal IRS agent and killed Sgt. Timothy Mossbrucker of the Jefferson County Sheriff's Department. Petrosky, who was known to his friends as "50-cal Al," fired all four weapons, including the 50 caliber rifle, during his murderous rampage. ("Authorities Investigate Gun Sale: Rifle Used in Albertson's Slayings Wasn't Illegal," Rocky Mountain News, May 1, 1995)


    Branch Davidian cult members at a compound in Waco, Texas, fired 50 caliber sniper rifles at federal ATF agents during their initial gun battle on February 28, 1993. The weapons' ability to penetrate tactical vehicles prompted the agency to request military armored vehicles to give agents adequate protection from the 50 caliber rifles and other more powerful weapons the Branch Davidians might have had. Four ATF agents were killed. ("Weaponry: .50 Caliber Rifle Crime," GAO Office of Special Investigations letter, August 4, 1999)


    On February 27, 1992, a Wells Fargo armored delivery truck was attacked in a "military style operation" in Chamblee, Georgia, by several men using a smoke grenade and a Barrett 50 caliber sniper rifle. Two employees were wounded. ("Two Armored Truck Guards Shot," The Atlanta Journal Constitution, February 27, 1992)


    In 1989, two members of a church in Gardner, Montana, who were part of what ATF has described as a "doomsday religious cult," were arrested and charged with federal firearms violations. The two suspects had purchased hundreds of firearms, including ten 50 caliber semiautomatic rifles and thousands of rounds of ammunition, using false identification. ("Weaponry: .50 Caliber Rifle Crime," GAO Office of Special Investigations letter, August 4, 1999)
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    • #3
      sierratangofoxtrotunion
      Veteran Member
      • Feb 2006
      • 4875

      Hm. 4 actual incidents in 20 years.

      Lol @ many of those are like sensationalizing the ownership of a kitchen knife while committing credit card fraud.
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      • #4
        Army
        Veteran Member
        • Oct 2005
        • 3915

        No actual proof of .50 cal involvment by the Branch Davidians, only a recovered rifle the Feds only had pictures of to take to court.

        The KC Mo incident is also iffy on the particulars.
        "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself...A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague."......Cicero

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        • #5
          milsurpshooter
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2007
          • 1074

          i really love how they keep saying "50 cal sniper rifle" considering all the incidents seemed to be at close/medium range. and i only counted one in cali.
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          • #6
            wildcard
            Veteran Member
            • Aug 2006
            • 4916

            Originally posted by milsurpshooter
            i really love how they keep saying "50 cal sniper rifle" considering all the incidents seemed to be at close/medium range. and i only counted one in cali.
            Specific to that phrase, assuming that there is such a thing as a "sniper rifle" as opposed to a precision rifle used by a designated sniper, it would be accurate since it's still a "sniper rifle" no matter what distance you decide to use it at.

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            • #7
              milsurpshooter
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2007
              • 1074

              either way its just another way to make them more evil than they are which there not.
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              • #8
                WolfMansDad
                Senior Member
                • May 2006
                • 838

                I don't care! People commit crimes all the time while driving. Should we then ban cars?

                Never forget, gun control is not a public safety issue. It's a civil-rights issue. You have the right to say or print any kind of political speech you want. Just because some people abuse that right doesn't mean the government can take it away from everybody. Some actual criminals go free because the evidence needed to convict them was taken without probable cause. That does not mean the police can stop you and search you any time they feel like it. Some a-hole shooting other people does not justify disarming the innocent.

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                • #9
                  1911su16b870
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                  • Dec 2006
                  • 7654

                  Thank you for posting the 50BMG actuals, but we all know the prohibitive laws on the books have no metric to prove they actually lower crime associated with enacting them - they were enacted due to politics, fear and ignorance.
                  "Bruen, the Bruen opinion, I believe, discarded the intermediate scrutiny test that I also thought was not very useful; and has, instead, replaced it with a text history and tradition test." Judge Benitez 12-12-2022

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                  • #10
                    DrjonesUSA
                    Veteran Member
                    • Dec 2005
                    • 4680

                    You are taking the wrong tack on this: it doesn't matter if every single criminal in the world uses .50 BMG rifles, that does not justify infringing on my rights as a law-abiding American Citizen.

                    My rights do not depend on what criminals do or do not do.

                    Please stop trying to convince people otherwise.

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                    • #11
                      ar15barrels
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Jan 2006
                      • 56983

                      Originally posted by DrjonesUSA
                      You are taking the wrong tack on this: it doesn't matter if every single criminal in the world uses .50 BMG rifles, that does not justify infringing on my rights as a law-abiding American Citizen.

                      My rights do not depend on what criminals do or do not do.
                      My whole point of this thread was to note how wrong the VPC is by the fact that even THEIR data points don't actually show criminal use of the guns to backup any kind of ban that they would support.
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                      • #12
                        Prc329
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Oct 2006
                        • 5603

                        These idiots need to stop throwing bad money after stupid ideas. The arrest of T.I. shows that criminals do not care about these bans and can still get what they want. Think about it if a strictly controlled item like a full-automatic anything can get into the hands of a felon for what amounts to chump change (when looking at what they really cost) why would banning these items make things better.

                        50BMG rifles have been use maybe 4 times (a couple have no real evidence they were used) and they want to ban them. Cars kill more people on a daily then guns but that doesn't mean we need to ban them.
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                        • #13
                          E Pluribus Unum
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                          • Dec 2006
                          • 8097

                          Any rifle with a scope is a sniper rifle.

                          Any rifle that shoots a caliber smaller than 30 caliber is a sub-machine gun.

                          Any rifle that shoots a caliber bigger than 30 caliber is an assault weapon.


                          This is the news jargon of course.
                          Originally posted by Alan Gura
                          The Second Amendment now applies to state and local governments. Our lawsuit is a reminder to state and local bureaucrats that we have a Bill of Rights in this country, not a Bill of Needs
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