Project ChildSafe Locks and PPTs

[f-ponce]

Dear Calgunners:

As we do a fair number of your PPTs in the Southern California area, we wanted to give you a heads-up on the issue of PPTs and Project ChildSafe locks.

On the advice from the CA DoJ, for those wishing to use a Project ChildSafe lock, we shall require a dated receipt from the issuing law enforcement agency, that shows the lock was acquired within 30 days from the release of the firearm.

I have attached an email of the conversation with CA DoJ.

Thank you, we'll keep you posted on any updates in this matter.


Francisco

Ammo Bros.

[dieselpower]

too bad most other FFL want to force a sale so they can make the 500% mark up. They will not accept it nor will they accept a DoJ letter saying its ok.

[Shellshocker66]

Dear Calgunners:

As we do a fair number of your PPTs in the Southern California area, we wanted to give you a heads-up on the issue of PPTs and Project ChildSafe locks.

On the advice from the CA DoJ, for those wishing to use a Project ChildSafe lock, we shall require a dated receipt from the issuing law enforcement agency, that shows the lock was acquired within 30 days from the release of the firearm.

I have attached an email of the conversation with CA DoJ.

Thank you, we'll keep you posted on any updates in this matter.


Francisco

Ammo Bros.

I have had luck with getting a business card, having it time stamped, listing that it is for "1 child safe lock" and a signature or initials if the community service person is signature shy.

So far no problems and it makes the local FFL's happy.

[nick]

Damn DOJ. I wonder if this interpretation of their qualifies as an underground regulation?

With that said, if a customer leaves a bunch of Project Childsafe locks at a store (rather than the store getting them from the local PD itself), would that work, too? I mean, can the store give out those locks the same way to other (or the same) customers?

P.S.: And this just had to happen soon after Francisco finally pushed me to get those Project Childsafe locks

[tenpercentfirearms]

Damn DOJ. I wonder if this interpretation of their qualifies as an underground regulation?

With that said, if a customer leaves a bunch of Project Childsafe locks at a store (rather than the store getting them from the local PD itself), would that work, too? I mean, can the store give out those locks the same way to other (or the same) customers?

P.S.: And this just had to happen soon after Francisco finally pushed me to get those Project Childsafe locks

There is no underground regulation. If a customer brings in a lock to use, the penal code is clear that the lock needs to be approved and have a receipt.

However, just as the DOJ says, if the dealer just gives them out, then it isn't an issue. Anytime a dealer gives out a lock, no receipt is required and a dealer can give CA Approved FSD out at any time.

[Cali-Shooter]

too bad most other FFL want to force a sale so they can make the 500% mark up. They will not accept it nor will they accept a DoJ letter saying its ok.

Sounds like Guns Direct in Burbank.

[drclark]

I did a ppt some time ago on a ruger gp100. Original lock was in the box and the ffl still made me buy a stupid lock. Felt pretty raped at the time....

[tenpercentfirearms]

I did a ppt some time ago on a ruger gp100. Original lock was in the box and the ffl still made me buy a stupid lock. Felt pretty raped at the time....

Never use him for a PPT or anything else ever again.

[CHS]

On the advice from the CA DoJ, for those wishing to use a Project ChildSafe lock, we shall require a dated receipt from the issuing law enforcement agency, that shows the lock was acquired within 30 days from the release of the firearm.

Yup, that's always been the law.

What I always told customers was that they could go to the police station and get a free lock BUT ALWAYS ask the clerk for a receipt, otherwise the law doesn't allow us to accept them.

You don't have to PAY for the lock, but the penal code is pretty clear about a dated receipt.

[paul0660]

Buyer gets a childsafe lock. Drops it on the LGS floor. Employee finds it, hands it to purchaser. Done deal.

I would really like to find the wunder politico who originated the dated part of the law.

[xrMike]

My FFL makes me sign a form that says: "I own a _________________ safe."

Fill in the blank, sign/date the form, and I'm outta there.

[CHS]

Buyer gets a childsafe lock. Drops it on the LGS floor. Employee finds it, hands it to purchaser. Done deal.

I would really like to find the wunder politico who originated the dated part of the law.

I'd like to know how the law is constitutionally valid. The impetus for the law is to "encourage gun safety", not enforce it. And if they aren't requiring you to actually USE the lock (in fact, transport using the lock is generally a violation of the law, yay!), then the law should not be constitutionally valid under strict scrutiny.

It's simply a way of funneling $5/gun purchase into the hands of Masterlock corp.

[CHS]

My FFL makes me sign a form that says: "I own a _________________ safe."

Fill in the blank, sign/date the form, and I'm outta there.

Someone has obviously never purchased a handgun

[xrMike]

Someone has obviously never purchased a handgun

I've used him to buy 2 handguns in the last 6 months actually.

I know... My FFL is not adhering to the current letter of the law. One of the advantages to living in a small rural town is that change happens slowly out here.

[bohoki]

sounds like the person buying needs to give the lock to the seller and have the seller write a bill of sale for one gun and one lock sign and date it that is a receipt