What the hell is going on with SigArms?

[paradox]

[PIRATE14]

SIGARMS no more....SIG SAUER again......maybe they weren't performing up to SIG standards.........

[NIB]

SIG has been in a steady decline unfortunately. A stream of QC problems, customer service sucks. Paul gone? Now thats news to me!

Pretty sad seeing the decline of SIG, It's like watching a loved one slowly being destroyed by drug addiction.

[paradox]

SIGARMS no more....SIG SAUER again......maybe they weren't performing up to SIG standards.........

I always wondered why SigArms was spending time pushing out a million different versions of the same guns while at the same time couldn't bother making a 1911 that ran smooth. Sheesh, even the Filipinos and Brazilians can do that...

Anyway, I’m still looking for good gossip, googling hasn’t satisfied my itch yet.

I have found that SigSauer is hiring though:

http://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobDetails.aspx?dv=dv&APath=2.21.0.0.0&sfascc=&IPath=JRM&sname=&jrdid=&lpage=1&job_did=JQ2D66L630BRR4803S&ff=21&jobcount=1&strcrit=QID%3dA6654265562703%3bst%3da%3buse%3dALL%3bCID%3dUS%3bSID%3d%3f%3bTID%3d0%3bENR%3dNO%3bDTP%3dDR3%3bYDI%3dYES%3bIND%3dALL%3bPDQ%3dAll%3bJN%3dAll%3bPAYL%3d0%3bPAYH%3dgt120%3bPOY%3dNO%3bETD%3dALL%3bRE%3dALL%3bMGT%3dDC%3bSUP%3dDC%3bFRE%3d30%3bCHL%3dAL%3bQS%3dsid_unknown%3bSS%3dNO%3bTITL%3d0%3bOB%3d-modifiedint%3bJQT%3dRAD%3bNCC%3d%5e%22SIG+SAUER%2c+Inc.%22%24

We're Sig Sauer (previously SigArms Inc.), premier manufacturer of firearms, and we are growing rapidly! We've doubled our sales and staff over the past two years, invested heavily in state-of-the-art equipment, and are significantly expanding our engineering base. Currently, we seek to fill the following positions, and will provide assistance with relocation.


CAD Designer
Must be a team player with 7+ years of expereince and/or equivalent education. Experience with SolidEdge and/or SolidWorks a plus.


Process Engineer
This key member will assist in implementing engineering changes to processes. Requires 7+ years of experience and/or equivalent education.


Product Design Engineer
Develop original designs and technical improvements of existing lines. This senior position requires 10+ years of design work in the metal machining industry and an advanced degree in engineering and/or equivalent education.

Manufacturing Engineer
Design fixtures and related devices to improve efficiency of multiple axis CNC equipment. Requires SPC skills and 7+ years of experience and/or equivalent education.

CNC Operator
Operate multiple axis CNC milling machines and live tooling lathes. Requires 3-5 years of experience in a fast-paced metal machining environment.

Please send resume to:
SIG SAUER, Inc.
18 Industrial Drive
Exeter, NH 03833
Fax:603-778-2270
EOE ISO 9001 certified

[8200rpm]

Too many stupid gun of the month (GOTM) pimp guns.

I remember the good old days of SIG when it was simple...

P220, P225, P226, P228, P229, and P230. Swiss/German perfection. Very professional, martial tools.

Nowadays, there are just too many subvariants that muddle the brand identity. It's as if SIGARMS put wheel cover spinners on an entire line of BMWs.

[caduckgunner]

Don't forget all the stories (with proof) of the horrible finishes they have been putting on CPO's.

[paradox]

Sheesh, the more I dig, the worse it gets:

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/6631094401/p/1

[NSR500]

I always wondered Sheesh, even the Filipinos and Brazilians can do that...

Watch out now... Us Pinoys not only build them, but we can shoot them (the 1911) with the Best of em!

[Spiggy]

Watch out now... Us Pinoys not only build them, but we can shoot them (the 1911) with the Best of em!

I think in order to be Filipino, it's required that you own atleast one .45 caliber handgun in 1911 format. I don't know any without one!

[paradox]

Watch out now... Us Pinoys not only build them, but we can shoot them (the 1911) with the Best of em!

No slight against Pinoys intended. Hell, given the state of affairs today, I imagine a new Philippine or Brazilian car will outlast a new Ford

The high brow internet gurus tend to dismiss RIA or Brazilian 1911s out of hand, yet at over twice the price, New Hampshire made Sigs seem to have far more problems.

[NSR500]

No slight against Pinoys intended. Hell, given the state of affairs today, I imagine a new Philippine or Brazilian car will outlast a new Ford

The high brow internet gurus tend to dismiss RIA or Brazilian 1911s out of hand, yet at over twice the price, New Hampshire made Sigs seem to have far more problems.

I did not feel you slighted anyone at all. It was just an opportunity to point out some fun facts relating to my culture since Armscorp/Rock Island are now making parts for STI.

[dwtt]

I did not feel you slighted anyone at all. It was just an opportunity to point out some fun facts relating to my culture since Armscorp/Rock Island are now making parts for STI.

Sure, rub it in.
I like my Rock Island 1911, it's reliable and doesn't give me any problems. I also have a used Sig P229 that seems OK with no problems. Since I don't read any of the high brow Sig forums, I don't consider the Sig any better than any other steel frame gun I have.

[Slowshooter]

I guess this is what happens when some CEO of Kimber ends up getting a new poistion in SIG. I think SIG really needs to get their head screwed a bit better.

[leelaw]

Top it off - Sig is screwing with dealers in regards to department trade-in guns. They intentionally overbid every gun coming in from departments, and will do it direct, so that the dealers make no money from selling to a department (unless the trade-in guns are from a different manufacturer, in which case they get a very small percent). It encourages dealers to push other guns rather than Sigs.

[randy]

I think their LE sales must be off and they are loosing market share. (I'm guessing)

Sig's customer service has been bad for sometime. They have an expensive product that is having trouble competing with Glock, Smith & Wesson, HK and Beretta.

I'm sure they can compete heads up with HK pistol to pistol but with the MP5sales HK can roll in a deal on pistols. Sigs are better heads up than the Smith's and the Italian trash but Smiths are cheaper and I don't know about Beretta's.

If you're a PD Glock makes a lot of sence. Glocks for the most part last longer than Sig, but there have been problems with the 21's. Glocks have fewer parts, more part interchangability between models, more models to fit different size hands, lighter (I think), cheaper parts, less expensive initial investment, same trigger pull every time, mags are cheaper, training should be easier with fewer levers.

If you are the dept. dollar and cents guy how do you justify the purchase of a Sig over the others?

I'm not a fan of Glock,HK or Sig. or Smith semi auto's I do own some except the Smith's. It's been along time since any of them have seen the light of day.