Armed Security, Gun without magazine

[akoba]

I saw this few months ago in a asian supermarket. I saw a armed security guard who have a glock pistol and in full complete gear. And when he turn his back on my direction i saw the gun had no magazine on it. And he was on duty. At first i thought maybe i didn't see it clearly. But when he walk back again on the table where i was eating, i am 100% sure that there's no magazine on his glock. I told my wife about the gun and when she look at it, she confirm it to me that it was empyt (mag).
What in the world was he thinking ?

[Ziggy91]

I think problem #1 is that you were in an Asian supermarket... I dont think anyone that works or shops in there should handle a gun LOL

just kidding, a little racist, i'm sorry, it's late...

Honestly, he either forgot it or they aren't even alowed to carry loaded guns. Sounds dumb, but i've heard of wost policies... believe me

[locosway]

I saw this few months ago in a asian supermarket. I saw a armed security guard who have a glock pistol and in full complete gear. And when he turn his back on my direction i saw the gun had no magazine on it. And he was on duty. At first i thought maybe i didn't see it clearly. But when he walk back again on the table where i was eating, i am 100% sure that there's no magazine on his glock. I told my wife about the gun and when she look at it, she confirm it to me that it was empyt (mag).
What in the world was he thinking ?

Maybe he forgot to load up? I would have told him, just in case... You could have saved a life.

[s4alex]

Either that or he doesn't really have a guard card and is just doing a legal UOC.....

[Cokebottle]

Either that or he doesn't really have a guard card and is just doing a legal UOC.....

This is most likely the situation.
Shop owners probably too cheap thrifty to hire an actual armed guard.

[stitch_paradox]

I think problem #1 is that you were in an Asian supermarket... I dont think anyone that works or shops in there should handle a gun LOL

I'm a racist, I know... I'm an idiot.

There I fixed it for you.

[akoba]

he either forgot it or they aren't even alowed to carry loaded guns. Sounds dumb, but i've heard of wost policies... believe me

Really?? wow i will never work on those agency.

just doing a legal UOC.....

Good point

[locosway]

This is most likely the situation.
Shop owners probably too cheap thrifty to hire an actual armed guard.

Employees can carry armed with the owners permission. Only restriction is if he's actually doing security duties or wearing a uniform.

[RTE]

Next time
ask him

Probably just looking the part as a deterrent

[Cokebottle]

Employees can carry armed with the owners permission. Only restriction is if he's actually doing security duties or wearing a uniform.

Exactly.

They want visible security as a deterrent... not armed employees.
Rather than cough up the thousands a month a real armed guard would cost them, it's cheaper to slap a uniform and an unloaded gun on a bagger and have him stand by the door.

[dieselpower]

well...

You can NOT provide "security duties" for any business open to the public without a guard card. You can not provide security to a business and carry a firearm, loaded or unloaded without a firearms permit.

Plain clothes Loss Prevention agents and Asset Protection Investigators may work without guard cards since they provide no more security than any other employee. If LP/AP employees carry weapons, they must be certified/licensed and that requires a Guard card also.

If that Security Officer doesn't have a Guard card and weapons permit, he is illegally carrying a firearm and illegally providing security services.

Now if you want to dress up like a Security Officer and UOC a firearm, that is fine as long as no one is playing you to do that and you are not required to have a Guard card to play dress up.... and then UOC is legal.

[ElvenSoul]

Basically this is a free gun to any theif. Never carry a unloaded firearm.

[CSACANNONEER]

Was his name Barney? Maybe Andy didn't think that today was a good day for Barney to carry ammo.

Either that or he doesn't really have a guard card and is just doing a legal UOC.....

You do not need a guard card to work as in house security. Also, a guard card does NOT give a rent a cop the credentials to carry a firearm. He would need a separte firearms permit.

[CSACANNONEER]

Then he is still in violation of the law. You have to have a Guard Card and a Gun card to be a security guard with a firearm.

well...

You can NOT provide "security duties" for any business open to the public without a guard card. You can not provide security to a business and carry a firearm, loaded or unloaded without a firearms permit.

Plain clothes Loss Prevention agents and Asset Protection Investigators may work without guard cards since they provide no more security than any other employee. If LP/AP employees carry weapons, they must be certified/licensed and that requires a Guard card also.

If that Security Officer doesn't have a Guard card and weapons permit, he is illegally carrying a firearm and illegally providing security services.

Now if you want to dress up like a Security Officer and UOC a firearm, that is fine as long as no one is playing you to do that and you are not required to have a Guard card to play dress up.... and then UOC is legal.

I call BS on both of these posts. Without a guard card, Firearms permit or LTC, I have legally carried concealed while acting as in house security in California. Sure, the perameters may be limited but, both of the above posts make it sound like it is impossible to legally do so. I did it legally when I also lived on the +400 acres I was patrolling.

I once hard a rent-a-cop card and work private security. After I left that job and my guard card had expired, I was recruited to play rent-a-cop at a mall. I wore a uniform and a tin star while partolling in places open to the public but, no guard card was required!

[dieselpower]

I call BS on both of these posts. Without a guard card, Firearms permit or LTC, I have legally carried concealed while acting as in house security in California. Sure, the perameters may be limited but, both of the above posts make it sound like it is impossible to legally do so. I did it legally when I also lived on the +400 acres I was patrolling.

I once hard a rent-a-cop card and work private security. After I left that job and my guard card had expired, I was recruited to play rent-a-cop at a mall. I wore a uniform and a tin star while partolling in places open to the public but, no guard card was required!

http://www.bsis.ca.gov/

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http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=bpc&group=07001-08000&file=7582-7582.28