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  • Zombiefilmfan
    Junior Member
    • Apr 2011
    • 18

    My back ground check story

    I am, or was, four days out from getting my baby out of jail (Mossberg 930 spx). Today I received a call from my FFL, that the DOJ had denied the transfer of my purchase. My FFL Rep, totally cool and informative, gave me the contact information that I needed so that I could contact the DOJ firearms department and see what the issue was.
    *a bit of history*Having a spotless record, I already knew what it could be. I work at a place that requires constant background checks on a bi annual basis, and in my 2nd year I was informed of an issue. The issue was that an individual living one county away with the same first name and last name as I, as well as the fact that they were born on that same day is a repeat felon. This individual has assaulted officers, etc. Needless to say, I found out they did not cross reference my SSN and I had to clear my own name, and received an affidavit from the courts stating it was not me.
    Fast forward to now. I am speaking to the front office rep from the DOJ firearms dept, and I heard the key phrase again. " There was no flag of your SSN on the background check", and I was denied based on "appearance". I further inquired on this "appearance" denial, and I was told I was denied based on the fact my full name, birth date, and appearance matched an individual who has committed a felon or multiple felonies. After already asking why my SSN was not cross referenced, I further pressed on why my SSN was not used, and I was denied based on "appearance". She told me she would notify the rep who ran my background check, and they would of course call me on Monday. The day before I was supposed to pick up my Mossberg. Now with no fault of my own, I have to wait even longer to get my shotgun, that is, if they will properly run my background check, and then realize I have a clean slate.

    In your opinion, is this normal protocol when the DOJ runs a BC? Or are they being lazy, and not giving due and proper? I know I will probably have to deal with this issue of my doppelganger making my life difficult. However I would think, that the DOJ would use my provided SSN and I could be saved of this constant hassle of having to clear my name. It makes me look like a criminal!

    Thanks in advance for any opinions.
    P.S I apologize If I posted in the wrong area.
  • #2
    Cokebottle
    Seņor Member
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Oct 2009
    • 32373

    Not normal for them to run SSN.
    They just go by name, birthdate, and residence

    Personally, I'd change my name... legally reverse first and middle, so you don't have to change how people address you.
    - Rich

    Originally posted by dantodd
    A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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    • #3
      jtv3062
      Veteran Member
      • Oct 2005
      • 2746

      Doesn't it state on form, if you use your ssn it would cut down on any confusion with other like names.
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      • #4
        Zombiefilmfan
        Junior Member
        • Apr 2011
        • 18

        Not that I could trust my coworker fully; She worked for an attorney and mentioned even if I changed my name, it would still be linked, and I "may" still have the same problem.

        Do you think the DOJ might do a further check to clear it up? or am I fudged from participating in my 2nd amendment right for the current time until "I" have to clear it up.

        I understand my questions are purely hypothetical.

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        • #5
          Zombiefilmfan
          Junior Member
          • Apr 2011
          • 18

          Originally posted by jtv3062
          Doesn't it state on form, if you use your ssn it would cut down on any confusion with other like names.
          Exactly... That is why I specifically put my SSN on the form to avoid this. Which is why I was more confused as to why I was denied.

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          • #6
            Clownpuncher
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2011
            • 1176

            I would question the DOJ and see if you can send them the court documents that they use for your background check. Perhaps they can complete a file or something so there is no confusion in the future.

            Or you can get a CCW, then that will solve it all.
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            • #7
              jonzer77
              • Jul 2010
              • 8525

              Man that really sucks, hopefully they can make a note on your file or whatever they do to prevent this from happening in the future. The shotgun will not be your last purchase, trust me!
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              • #8
                Zombiefilmfan
                Junior Member
                • Apr 2011
                • 18

                Originally posted by Clownpuncher
                I would question the DOJ and see if you can send them the court documents that they use for your background check. Perhaps they can complete a file or something so there is no confusion in the future.

                Or you can get a CCW, then that will solve it all.

                I have those docs and I will mention that to her, thank you.

                Yea I wish I could get a CCW, but I live in a very difficult may issue county, and the sheriff is quoted as saying he will only give his deputies CCW licenses, due to liability issues under may issue status. I am not too current on the laws to know if he is truthful or not, and I haven't looked into it more.

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                • #9
                  Zombiefilmfan
                  Junior Member
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 18

                  Originally posted by jonzer77
                  Man that really sucks, hopefully they can make a note on your file or whatever they do to prevent this from happening in the future. The shotgun will not be your last purchase, trust me!
                  Ohh you know it! I havent even gotten my shotgun yet, and I am already itching to get a 9mm.

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                  • #10
                    ke6guj
                    Moderator
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Nov 2003
                    • 23725

                    Originally posted by Zombiefilmfan
                    Exactly... That is why I specifically put my SSN on the form to avoid this. Which is why I was more confused as to why I was denied.
                    your SSN is listed on the federal 4473 form and is NOT transmitted to CADOJ when the FFL submits the state DROS paperwork. Listing the SSN on the 4473 does you no good in CA except to open you up to identity theft.
                    Jack



                    Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA?

                    No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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                    • #11
                      Zombiefilmfan
                      Junior Member
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 18

                      Originally posted by ke6guj
                      your SSN is listed on the federal 4473 form and is NOT transmitted to CADOJ when the FFL submits the state DROS paperwork. Listing the SSN on the 4473 does you no good in CA except to open you up to identity theft.
                      Ohh! Man I really need to move from this state. Things are never easy or normal for me, either hard or near impossible. Well hopefully I can get this worked out somehow.

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                      • #12
                        Shellshocker66
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2011
                        • 1760

                        I'm sure when you speak to the rep on Monday everything will be sorted out. But I have the same fear that one day I'm going to get the denial based on my very common last and first name. Hope it all works out!
                        "I declare to you that woman must not depend upon the protection of man, but must be taught to protect herself, and there I take my stand." --Susan B. Anthony



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                        • #13
                          Zombiefilmfan
                          Junior Member
                          • Apr 2011
                          • 18

                          @Shellshocker66
                          Thank you, I am sure things will get sorted out. I will try and get them to flag my profile for future purchases (once it is worked out, to avoid future hangups) as jonzer77 mentioned above. When I was younger, my father and I would go plinking, target shooting, and hunting on a regular basis, and I have now started supporting the NRA, and hopefully soon Calguns. I now know what it means by getting an addiction for firearms. I havent even gotten my shotgun yet, and I am already shopping for a nice 22 for plinking.

                          Thanks everyone for your input. I really enjoy reading these forums!

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                          • #14
                            Cokebottle
                            Seņor Member
                            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                            • Oct 2009
                            • 32373

                            Originally posted by Zombiefilmfan
                            Not that I could trust my coworker fully; She worked for an attorney and mentioned even if I changed my name, it would still be linked, and I "may" still have the same problem.
                            Most likely, this issue will be resolved. The problem is, it is likely to repeat in the future.
                            Originally posted by Zombiefilmfan
                            Exactly... That is why I specifically put my SSN on the form to avoid this. Which is why I was more confused as to why I was denied.
                            SSN makes no difference on the background check.
                            As ke6guj said, it doesn't go to the DOJ.
                            There are two forms.
                            The Federal 4473 and the California DROS.
                            The 4473 is used to run the NICS check for handgun purchases in "free states", and if provided, the FFL will provide the SSN to the BATFE.

                            California does not use the NICS. They run their own check, and the only information they get is what is on the DROS.

                            Yes, if you change your name it will still be back-traced, and it doesn't guarantee that it won't happen again, but it might help.
                            - Rich

                            Originally posted by dantodd
                            A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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                            • #15
                              tenpercentfirearms
                              Vendor/Retailer
                              • Apr 2005
                              • 13007

                              I'll be the third guy that confirms putting your SSN on the 4473 is pointless.

                              However, here is an idea. You should have the FFL put in the DROS comments section something like, "This is not the felon, check SSN #123-45-6789."

                              When you talk to the DOJ again, ask them if including something in the DROS comments section will avoid this issue. Maybe a case reference number or something.

                              Otherwise, you are probably going to have to go through this a lot. Another option is to call the DOJ the same day you start DROS and let them know it is you again and to let it go through this time.

                              There has to be a way to take care of this, I would recommend calling the DOJ and trying to figure out some way to do it through their system. They would rather not do all of this work either I am sure.
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