Private party transfer - is this fud?

[battleship]

Ok so i have a green card and have done over 30 PPT since collecting handguns and have always used 3 months utility bills to show ive been at my residence for that time.

Last Saturday i did a PPT at Reeds indoor shooting range in Santa Clara, when they looked over my utility bills they told me that even though it shows that they are continuous from one bill to another, because the statements flow from one billing month to the next on each statement example below:

1st bill

Statement date - 04/19/11 payment date due - 05/16/11

2nd bill

statement date - 06/16/11 payment date due - 07/13/11

3rd bill

statement date - 08/16/11 payment date due - 09/12/11

They are not sure if this shows that they are continuous as the statement date jumps each over month when it comes in the mail and we pay the bill on line. Though clearly you can see when looking at the bills that they are a continuous flow with no gaps in payment therefore no gaps in the billing periods.

Reeds told me i would need another document to back this up such as an auto insurance policy.

Ok thats fine i can get my auto ins policy for them but that's just going to show them that its covered for ex number of months that i pay for not that i have been living at the same address for over 3 months.

I suggested that i use my car registration which i have alway used if asked for at other gun stores as a 2nd form to show i have been living were i say i have.
Reeds told me that the car registration is no good, yet at every other store that i have done PPT that requested 2nd I.D. to show how long i have resided there the car registration was just fine as long as it indicated i have lived there for 3 months.

This is a 1st for me to come across this as a green card holder and i wonder based on all the other gun stores i have done PPT at and never had a problem could Reeds have it wrong.

[Briancnelson]

I have used car registration as my 2nd form of ID many many times. All the other forms of ID you mention work too at other stores, and are legally acceptable.

Sounds like they just didn't want to do the PPT, and came up with FUD to keep from filing out paperwork.

[hk91666]

Recently transferred an AR at Reeds (PPT) they insisted on me having a magazine in the well of the AR . They told me a BB AR must have an magazine in the well. So I complied thought it strange as I never take a firearm into a gun shop with magazine installed. Other than that all went as expected . Oh BTW I was the seller.

[Uriah02]

Sounds like they don't want to do PPT.

[dieselpower]

as for the bill months, I have only had one cup of coffee, but it appears to me those are NOT continuous. You have no record for; 5/16/11 to 6/14/11, and from 7/14/11 to 8/15/11. Yes common sense says you had to live somewhere, but in the eyes of residency law you could live in two places. Every other month moving back and forth and therefore not continuous at one place.

I could be wrong here but a car registration is only good for the handgun purchase requirement for residency and is NOT a second ID. You need 10% or Riflegear to chime in since they are both FFLs and would have the real deal answers.

[tenpercentfirearms]

I am not exactly clear on what is happening here. Do you get billed for the middle months or not? If you get billed for the middle months and the statements are online, but not in paper form, then they are not continuous. If it is like my water company that only bills me every two months, then they are continuous.

However, my water bill says right on it "Service from 6/13/11; Service to 8/12/11"

If your bills do not say dates of service and it appears there are gaps missing, I would ask for the missing bills too. I would rather be correct with the BATFE than not and your PPT is certainly not worth fudging on paperwork over. Actually, no transaction is.

Your car registration is no good for your alien 90 days of continuous residency. It is good for federal requirement to show your address if it is different on your 4473 and your driver's license and it also is sufficient for handgun proof of residency. But it does not show 3 months of consecutive residency.

[CHS]

Sounds like they don't want to do PPT.

I have used car registration as my 2nd form of ID many many times. All the other forms of ID you mention work too at other stores, and are legally acceptable.

Sounds like they just didn't want to do the PPT, and came up with FUD to keep from filing out paperwork.

He's a green-card holder guys. This has nothing to do with the 2nd form of ID/residence.

FEDERAL law requires that FFL's get proof of 90 days of continuous residence at a location for green-card holders for ANY firearms purchase, on top of the normal state and federal requirements. Same goes for legal aliens (non green-card holders).

And to me, it looks like the the bills that the OP posted about DONT show continuous residence. They show one-month gaps between the bills.

[kozumasbullitt]

I think Reeds may be unclear on laws, they would not allow me to transfer blocked 10 round magazines and did not want them in the store. The PPT also took a ridiculously long time.

[Briancnelson]

Ahh, I missed the green card part, my bad. That does put a different perspective on things.

[FNH5-7]

Does proof of insurance count as 2nd proof of residence?

[a1c]

I also have a green card.

For PPTs I bring:

- My green card and driver's license
- The last FOUR PG&E monthly statements (to show at least 90 days)
- The last FOUR cable monthly statements (ditto)

If you don't have more than one utility bill, lease agreement (some places want it notarized) will do.

If they don't accept the documents above, they are misinformed or don't want your business. I've done many PPTs this way, never a problem. Sounds to me like they have it wrong. I would not bother. Go to the Gun Vault in MV.

Also, your green card issue date MUST be more than 90 days in the past. This is because the CA DOJ goes by that date, and even if you did not leave the country in the past 90 days (even assuming you had a hunter's license prior to that), they will use that date. Happened to me once and had to wait another few days (date of green card issuance+90 days).

[tenpercentfirearms]

I think Reeds may be unclear on laws, they would not allow me to transfer blocked 10 round magazines and did not want them in the store. The PPT also took a ridiculously long time.

Blocked 10 round magazines are large capacity magazines and are illegal to offer for sale, loan, or give. The magazine must be permanently altered. By blocked do you mean permanently blocked or by blocked do you mean put a piece of wood or plastic in there and you can take it out at any time?

If you mean just 10 round magazines, then they were wrong. If you meant blocked large capacity magazines, then they were right.