How many other FFLs are getting tired...

[FortCourageArmory]

....of being asked if they charge sales tax on out-of-state firearms purchases? And, when you inform the questioner that you do, do they get upset with you for following the law? I get REALLY put out when someone that hasn't put their own money on the line and gone the distance to start their own business (especially such a heavily-regulated business like retail firearms sales) tells me I should risk my shop just so they don't have to pay an extra 7-8%. It's not like I get to keep it anyways. Sheesh!!!

OK, rant over.......

[PIRATE14]

Oh ****......here we go again.....well, I guess it's been about 4 wks...

[Fjold]

Tim,

It comes from the FFLs who don't collect the sales tax and then telling everyone that the FFls who do are ripping them off.

The customers think that the FFls who are collecting the tax are keeping it.

[ETD1010]

I think it sucks... I used to get annoyed at people "expecting me" not to charge sales tax when I had a small aquarium business... same thing with the FFL, too.. grrrrr.. law's the law, and if I don't follow it, I can't sell things.

[TacFan]

nobody likes taxes

It's simple really ...

int ffl_fee = const VALUE;
int DROS = const VALUE;
int Tax = const VALUE;
int Option_A;
int Option_B;

Option_A = ffl_fee + DROS + Tax;
Option_B = ffl_fee + DROS;

int moneyForGunsA = VALUE - Option_A;
int moneyForGunsB = VALUE - Option_B;

While (moneyForGunsB > moneyForGunsA)
{
GOTO Option_B;
}

But I also understand that some FFL dealers do not want to risk it while others are willing.

[FortCourageArmory]

Oh ****......here we go again.....well, I guess it's been about 4 wks...

If I hadn't just had a customer go off on me and tell me I was violating tax law, it would still be put to bed as an issue.

Fjold,
+1....exactly my point.

[VeryCoolCat]

In all fairness though... the states can't seem to ever work together and it'll take em some time til they start taxing goods via state to state. Nobody figured the internet would boom sales/shipping.

Having the state charge tax on items dros'd here isn't legit, and the only thing they'll do is bully you to get that money. Just like how the BOF bullies out of state companies.

I guess if you pay your long gun dros in cash... since they don't keep the dros info... and say you paid $50 for that M1A SOCOM....

[Shane916]

If I hadn't just had a customer go off on me and tell me I was violating tax law, it would still be put to bed as an issue.

Fjold,
+1....exactly my point.

Don't feel to bad. I was threatened with a lawsuit from a "Deputy District Attorney" because I asked to see his wifes ID for a credit card purchase she was making. Maybe we will end up in court together!!

[Bobshouse]

Your not required to charge tax for an out of state purchase. The purchaser is required to report the purchase to the tax authority when filing his state income tax.

[SemiAutoSam]

This may be the case if the person or individual is a taxpayer however When and if a FFL expects me to pay a sales tax on a item that I did not purchase from them if they think im going to pay it because they want to cover their assets they are out of their gourd.

If the item they are doing the DROS on was not purchased from them or maybe was traded for something else how do they know the value to make this tax charge in the first place.

As I see it and no matter how popular my opinion is with any FFL on this board If the dealer is only used because its a state law that the Firearm be transferred through a FFL they didn't sell the item. They have no idea what I paid or didn't pay for the item therefore they have no business charging tax on an item that they did not sell.

and to compound things if the item was used and was purchased from a private party tax has aready been paid on it by the first person that purchased the item at retail and now they want to charge tax on the same item for a 2nd time WTF ?.

I guess I'm lucky as I have several FFL's to DROS just about anything I want to bring in from out of state and none of them charge any tax.

I for one dont GAD what the BS law states on this. I will not pay a tax on a used firearm that I do not buy from the Dealer that does the DROS and I encourage others to do the same.

Your not required to charge tax for an out of state purchase. The purchaser is required to report the purchase to the tax authority when filing his state income tax.

[Mssr. Eleganté]

I guess I'm lucky as I have several FFL's to DROS just about anything I want to bring in from out of state and none of them charge any tax.

You are even luckier that these FFL's you go to don't require you to have a California Driver's License or California ID Card to do the DROS Sam. I know a lot of California FFL's who don't charge sales tax on out of state purchases, but you're the only guy I know who's found FFL's that DROS guns without a California ID.

You da man!

[tenpercentfirearms]

Your not required to charge tax for an out of state purchase. The purchaser is required to report the purchase to the tax authority when filing his state income tax.

Wrong.

Here we go again. I always refer customers to this link.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=51391&highlight=boe

I find it interesting that Sam continues to encourage you all to continue to put your tax liability on an FFL instead of accepting it for yourself. Once an FFL gets audited, they will collect the tax from the FFL, not you.

I just find it quite wrong that someone would advocate "sticking it to the man" by making a local FFL take on their tax liability. You can disagree with the tax law all you want (trust me, I don't agree with it at all), but if you know that if your local FFL gets audited they will be stuck paying your taxes, how is that standing up for what is right? How is purposely placing all of your tax liability on the shoulders of a private individual or corporation so you can avoid it honorable?

And that is precisely why I am not going to take on your tax burden. If you prefer to do transfers through someone who will take on your tax burden, go ahead. They deserve your business and I will gladly stick to customers who aren't willing to hang me out to dry over a lousy 7.25%.

No flame intended, I am just calling this one the way I see it.

[Maddog5150]

fortcourage. Just remember that every customer is an expert in just about everything... at least thats what they believe they are. No advice I can offer except that it always works for me to let them keep ranting until they get tired, then stick to your guns. If they rant again then wait for them to get tired again, smile, kill them with kindness and stick to your guns.(no pun intended)

[socalguns]

Maybe he's advocating giving the FFL an affidavit stipulating the actual price paid was zero, so you can collect zero tax and be free ... i know i know

[paradox]

nobody likes taxes

It's simple really ...

int ffl_fee = const VALUE;

...

Those should be reals or floats, not ints.