Interstate private party ammunition purchase (was:Need some help guys.)

[InFamous20]

Say I want to buy some rifle ammo from someone that resides in another state. Is there anything that prohibits me from completing this transaction? Any local municipal codes that restrict ammo sales or shipping via a private party? Sorry if this has been asked before guys..

I've looked everywhere and I can't seem to find an answer...

[InFamous20]

Anyone?

[g_conway]

as long as ammo is legal in CA. AND method of shipment is legal, no issue to BUY. Selling is another issue, has to do with how much and how often (licensiing.) Other than that no law against it.

[InFamous20]

as long as ammo is legal in CA. AND method of shipment is legal, no issue to BUY. Selling is another issue, has to do with how much and how often (licensiing.) Other than that no law against it.

I'm guessing it'll ship via UPS. I'm not buying with the intent to sell it later. I'm buying it to shoot it.

[Shellshocker66]

Just one question are you in L.A. city limits? If so you have some restrictions I think about handgun ammo and having to go through an FFL? Some common handgun calibers can also be used in long rifles so you might want to check into that. Don't know if the same law applies with shipping or not.

Now when I purchase ammo it always comes usually via UPS with a sticker saying something like ORM-D ammunition. So I do believe it has to be declared when being shipped.

[InFamous20]

Just one question are you in L.A. city limits? If so you have some restrictions I think about handgun ammo and having to go through an FFL? Some common handgun calibers can also be used in long rifles so you might want to check into that. Don't know if the same law applies with shipping or not.

Now when I purchase ammo it always comes usually via UPS with a sticker saying something like ORM-D ammunition. So I do believe it has to be declared when being shipped.

I am in Hollywood so yes. The ammo in question is surplus 8mm mauser.. I was hoping someone would show or provide a link to a/any L.A. municipal code or law that prohibits interstate private party transactions and ammo restrictions. That is....of course..if there are any such laws. ..

[Shellshocker66]

OK this is what I found.

BookmarkSEC. 55.11. REQUIREMENTS FOR AMMUNITION SALES.

(Title and Section Amended by Ord. No. 180,447, Eff. 2/2/09, Oper. 6/18/09.)

(a) "Firearm Ammunition" means any self-contained unit consisting of the case, primer, propellant charge, and projectile for use in pistols, revolvers, rifles, shot guns, or any other device designed to be used as a weapon from which is expelled a projectile by the force of explosion or other form of combustion. "Firearm Ammunition" shall not include blank ammunition used solely in the course of motion picture, television, video, or theatrical productions.

(b) The term "vendor", as used in this section, shall mean any person who is engaged in the retail sale of firearm ammunition and retail firearms dealers.

(c) No vendor shall sell or otherwise transfer ownership of any firearm ammunition to any person other than those listed in subsection (g) without at the time of purchase recording the following information on a form to be prescribed by the Board of Police Commissioners:

1. the date of the transaction,

2. the name, address and date of birth of the transferee,

3. the transferee's drivers license or other identification number and the state in which it was issued,

4. the brand, type and amount of ammunition transferred,

5. the transferee's signature, and

6. the name of the sales person who processed the transaction.

The vendor shall also at the time of purchase or transfer obtain the right thumb print of the purchaser or transferee on the above-referenced form.

(d) No vendor shall sell or otherwise transfer ownership of any firearm ammunition without complying with all requirements of subsection (c) in a face-to-face transaction.

(e) The records required by this section shall be maintained on the premises of the vendor for a period of not less than two (2) years from the date of the recorded transfer. Said records shall be subject to inspection at any time during normal business hours in accordance with the provisions of Section 103.14 of this Code.

(f) No person shall knowingly make a false entry in, or fail to make a required entry in, or fail to obtain the required thumb print, or fail to maintain in the required manner records prepared in accordance herewith. No person shall refuse to permit a police department employee to examine any record prepared in accordance with this section during any inspection conducted pursuant to this section, or refuse to permit the use of any record or information therefrom by the police department.

(g) The requirements of subsection (c) shall not apply when the purchaser is any of the following:

1. any person described in Section 12302 or 12322 of the Penal Code of the State of California.

2. any off-duty peace officer who displays proper agency identification which identifies him or her as an active peace officer.

3. any person who has been issued a permit to carry a concealed weapon under the authority of Section 12050 of the Penal Code of the State of California

4. any security guard licensed under the authority of Section 12033 of the Penal Code of the State of California.

5. any firearms dealer who has been issued a Federal Firearms License, a Certificate of Eligibility by the State of California and a Seller of Firearms Police Permit by the City of Los Angeles.

6. any firearm ammunition vendor who has been issued a Seller of Ammunition Police Permit by the City of Los Angeles.

(h) Violation of this section shall constitute a misdemeanor.

http://www.amlegal.com/nxt/gateway.d...mlegal:lamc_ca Have to scroll down to find it.

Edit: and this http://clkrep.lacity.org/onlinedocs/...ord_180447.pdf

So how this effects mail order I don't know. I have heard of folks on the forum here who have been able to get shipping from certain ammo companies to Sacramento city which has a similar ordnance.

[InFamous20]

Thank you.

Now, Here's where I get lost.

b) The term "vendor", as used in this section, shall mean any person who is engaged in the retail sale of firearm ammunition and retail firearms dealers.

Then it conflicts with this

(d) No vendor shall sell or otherwise transfer ownership of any firearm ammunition without complying with all requirements of subsection (c) in a face-to-face transaction.

In my case, this isn't a FTF transaction. The seller isn't an ammo company, he or she is a resident in another state..

[InFamous20]

So. I still haven't found anything specific about internet orders...what do you guys think. Limbo.