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  • drkphibr
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 2457

    Why do locks expire?

    Saw some threads recently on the lock requirement for PPT handgun purchases and couldn't resist throwing my .02 in on similar thoughts.

    I can completely understand the legal requirement for a PPT handgun transaction to leave the store with a CA DOJ "approved" lock at pick up.

    What I can't understand is the requirement for that lock to have been purchased within the last 30 days. Since when do locks expire? Didn't know they had a shelf life and were perishable. I'm fine with it needing to be stamped CA approved, but since that lock is no less effective on doing what it's supposed to do on day 31 as it did on day 29, WTF? Total scam. Never planned (or wanted) to have a lock collection.

    Can't understand the reasoning behind the lock needing to have been purchased within the last 30 days. Beyond proving the date of purchase, the receipt is also questionable, as the receipt doesn't indicate CA DOJ compliance, just time/date/location of purchase. I'll deal with it, but I scratch my head on the logic behind the requirement.

    Then we have the safe affidavit. LOVE that. Too bad it seems to vary by city/county and I've even experienced a difference across shops in the same city/county that will only apply the safe affidavit to long guns and not handguns. Again, more head scratching.

    I usually come prepared with my lock and receipt. I've forgotten it in some cases and have been burned with over priced locks (some shops have a return policy, most don't). $10 and under is reasonable, it's the $20-$30 locks that set me off. One lock for multiple PPTs doesn't work either (leaving the shop with one at a time).

    Bottom line, I'll do what I need to do in order to walk out with my property legally. Leads to interesting creativity.
  • #2
    jben
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    CGN Contributor
    • Oct 2008
    • 1929

    I think "they" want you to have a separate lock for each gun you have. If you keep recycling the same lock then you can't be keeping all your guns locked as "they" want. Making you buy a new lock each time is "their" way of making sure you have locks for all your guns.

    The safe affidavit and long gun vs. handgun is a federal vs. state regulation thing.

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    • #3
      triplestack3
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2011
      • 1286

      Originally posted by drkphibr
      One lock for multiple PPTs doesn't work either (leaving the shop with one at a time).
      now what if you spread the wealth and pick up multiple PPT's at different FFL's with the same lock/receipt?

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      • #4
        drkphibr
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2010
        • 2457

        Originally posted by triplestack3
        now what if you spread the wealth and pick up multiple PPT's at different FFL's with the same lock/receipt?
        That works with no problem. Even works with same lock at same shop with multiple PPTs, just not on same day/time for pick up of more than one handgun. Some shops will make you actually open the lock/put it on to leave, others are fine with the fact that you are complying with the law by leaving the shop with a CA DOJ approved lock. No shortage of interpretations. Their shop, their interpretation/enforcement. They have more to lose than I do, so I'll comply regardless of how I feel about it.

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        • #5
          Dannicus
          Veteran Member
          • Jan 2011
          • 2577

          The whole thing is silly. I recently did a trade; gun for gun, we both included locks with our guns. The shop still had us purchase (only charged 1 cent) new locks. So we each get to take home 2 new pos locks with our handguns.

          On a side note, I just picked up a long gun and the shop had me purchase another cable lock. Thing is, the action of the rifle does not facilitate the use of a cable lock.
          Last edited by Dannicus; 09-15-2011, 11:26 AM.

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          • #6
            CaliforniaLiberal
            #1 Bull Goose Loony
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Jan 2008
            • 4690

            In the dreams of the California Legislature every gun in the state is sitting in a gun safe with a gun lock running through it. If you don't buy a new lock with every gun purchase you might be tempted to take a lock from a gun you already own to complete the purchase of your new gun. This would leave guns sitting dangerously unlocked on your shelf, just waiting to kill someone.

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            • #7
              mif_slim
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Apr 2008
              • 10089

              ^ lol!! +1

              You gotta tame them beast! Their ready to kill at any moment with or without anyone using it!
              Originally posted by Gottmituns
              It's not protecting the rights of the 1%, it's IMPOSING new laws because of the 1%.

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              • #8
                Massan
                Senior Member
                • Jul 2010
                • 1042

                Simple explanation, the more locks FFLs are forced to sell, the more taxes the pricks in office can collect.

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                • #9
                  tenpercentfirearms
                  Vendor/Retailer
                  • Apr 2005
                  • 13007

                  Originally posted by Massan
                  Simple explanation, the more locks FFLs are forced to sell, the more taxes the pricks in office can collect.
                  That is why I sell locks for $20. It helps them out even more!
                  www.tenpercentfirearms.com was open from 2005 until 2018. I now own Westside Arms.

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                  • #10
                    Mickey D
                    Veteran Member
                    • Jun 2007
                    • 3502

                    Originally posted by CaliforniaLiberal
                    In the dreams of the California Legislature every gun in the state is sitting in a gun safe with a gun lock running through it. If you don't buy a new lock with every gun purchase you might be tempted to take a lock from a gun you already own to complete the purchase of your new gun. This would leave guns sitting dangerously unlocked on your shelf, just waiting to kill someone.

                    It's for your own good. Really.
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                    ***Mature Up***

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                    • #11
                      Southpaw45
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 2332

                      Bottom line... It's all about making money. That's it!!!
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                      • #12
                        jyo
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 5312

                        Some how, over the last few years, all the PPTs I have done accepted the "factory lock" that was already in the orig. box---EXCEPT Turner's---they demanded that I buy an $16 dollar lock or no PPT. Naturally, I returned the lock the next day for store credit for something I really needed---also, naturally, I don't do PPTs at Turner's anymore (or much else). At this point, I have a cardboard box full of these piss-poor locks.

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