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  • #31
    Packy14
    Calguns Addict
    • Jul 2008
    • 5312

    Originally posted by iareConfusE
    I'm still a little bit concerned with the whole" deadly force can only be used when met with deadly force" idea. I'm 140 lbs, 5'10" and I'm weak as cake. To me, a single stiff blow from anyone over 170 lbs to the head would probably kill me instantly.

    Should a sucker punch or a guy asking for a fist fight not be met with my deadly force? Or should I have to wait until I'm a half pint of blood away from death before I do my quick draw and put one in him?

    Lift weights + learn some martial arts?
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    • #32
      Molby242
      Member
      • Jul 2011
      • 236

      Originally posted by iareConfusE
      If I'm not a fighter, and I don't like to get into fist fights, should I just stand there and be his punching bag then? What other options would you suggest apart from "being a victim", because it sounds like that's what you would rather have me be?
      It's hard to say based on the lack of detail the article gives, but it made it seem the shooter drew, turned and shot without properly identifying the target/threat. a lot of defense classes teach you to look, assess the threat, then make a conscious decision to shoot (OODA loop).

      (assuming he wasn't a felon and could carry) as soon as he perceived there was enough threat, he could have drew and commanded the pursuer to stop what he was doing/attempting to do. If the pursuer then continues his action or escalates, then he could make the decision to shoot.

      The two were already involved in an altercation (of sorts) prior to. It wasn't like some random passer by decided to jump him as he passed. There was enough time for him to assess the situation and prepare. If he was really afraid of the "sucker punch" or sneak attack factor, he should have never turned his back to his enemy.
      "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." -Edmund Burke

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      • #33
        iareConfusE
        Veteran Member
        • Jan 2010
        • 4464

        Originally posted by Curley Red
        You can always run away. Just because a person is beating on you with their fists does not mean you can use a gun to stop them.
        True I could run, and I obviously would given the chance, but if they were to keep chasing me or if I was cornered. I'm basically talking worst case scenario here in which I felt that I had to use a gun. I'm just not sure how a jury would perceive a gun vs. a brutal fist for someone of my size.

        Originally posted by kenshinoro2007
        Lift weights + learn some martial arts?
        I've tried lifting weights. I got stronger, but not bigger D: I'm one of those guys that can't gain weight no matter how much effort is put into it. I can't even get fat trying to eat McDonalds everyday..

        Originally posted by Molby242
        It's hard to say based on the lack of detail the article gives, but it made it seem the shooter drew, turned and shot without properly identifying the target/threat. a lot of defense classes teach you to look, assess the threat, then make a conscious decision to shoot (OODA loop).

        (assuming he wasn't a felon and could carry) as soon as he perceived there was enough threat, he could have drew and commanded the pursuer to stop what he was doing/attempting to do. If the pursuer then continues his action or escalates, then he could make the decision to shoot.

        The two were already involved in an altercation (of sorts) prior to. It wasn't like some random passer by decided to jump him as he passed. There was enough time for him to assess the situation and prepare. If he was really afraid of the "sucker punch" or sneak attack factor, he should have never turned his back to his enemy.
        I probably wouldn't shoot immediately before assessing a threat..

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