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I had a regular come in this morning. We've been talking about AR-15 builds and I thought he had been bitten by the bug. I asked him how the project was progressing and he frowned and told me it was on the back burner. When I asked why, he told me he had been talking to his brother-in-law (on Culver City PD) who told him to drop it. The BIL told him he would most probably be arrested, have his gun confiscated and suffer lots of monetary damage. That disappoints me that a member of law enforcement would be so ignorant of the law to advise him this way. Makes you want to find the BIL and put a current copy of the Penal Code in his hands and force him to read it.
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It's another incident of an idiot talking out his ***. He's probably the same pd that gives people tickets for 2 miles over the speed limit. -
uhhh... its true though. You can be arrested, have your gun confiscated, and suffer a lot of monetary damage.The BIL told him he would most probably be arrested, have his gun confiscated and suffer lots of monetary damage.
Look at BWO.
All of us risk that by going to the range.Originally posted by KestryllOriginally posted by ivanimalJust be glad you are not his next door neighbor. I am sure there are "good tunes" flowing out the window. I am imagining a cop car pulling up at 1:30 AM asking "Are you having a party?" and Bundo sayin "Nope just me and the BG's"
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Once again, we in the gun community resort to name calling and insults. As I have proposed before, until you have personally helped the LEO community understand the current OLL situation, you shouldn't complain. The fact is, most LEO don't know about this and rely on the little firearms law they were given in the academy. Is it right that they (we) don't know the law? Of course not. However, you can whine and complain and see no change, or make a difference yourself.Comment
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Hmmm, then that Culver City cop is going to just LOVE my condo in Culver City!
"If they want to live in the Stone Ages, we can surely send them back there."
- Mr. Burns
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Well, its understandable the LEO is confused. Heck the DOJ is even confused about some of the laws they wrote.Comment
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I beg to disagree. I think the fact that the BIL is a LEO is only a tertiary issue.
The issue as I read it (and I could be the only one reading it this way) is that his customer was instructed by his customers BIL to stop working on this project because it was (implied) illegal.
The BIL spoke with authority on the matter, and is in a position to theoretically be well informed on CA AW laws.
The occupation of the BIL could of been an attorney, DA, DA assistant, Judge, other firearm enthusiast, whatever.
The fact that the information, while true in a literal sense, is completely false in the implied undertones that it conveyed combined with the supposed familiarity that the BIL theoretically has with regards to AW laws (which lend credence to his position of authority) is what I believe has people upset.
As to not being allowed to complain until one "personally helped the LEO community understand the current OLL situation", how about when I called up the Orange County PD and spoke to a Lieutenant in regards to CA Knife Laws?
The LEO was very very familiar with the CA knife laws. And I believe was intentionally leaving out the 2nd to 4th lines of 653k to misrepresent the legalities of the "switch blades" he was arresting people for possession of.
The LEO was very resistant to my attempts to discuss the technicalities of a "detent or other mechanism that provides resistance that must be overcome in opening the blade, or that biases the blade back toward its closed position."
The LEO claimed to have no knowledge of an assisted opening knife, but could describe in at least 2 different ways a bali-song and a gravity knife and their differences.
Clearly I could not change the mind of an LEO who's defense to my questions and discussion was "I've never heard of an assisted opening knife."
So how exactly is "Joe the Average Citizen" supposed to sway the minds of a LEO department without legal representation or a higher-up mandating a change of the unwritten policy?Comment
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Look, I am not saying you will be successful. I believe that you tried to do your best to educate us. Unfortunately, there are many in our profession who already know everything, so when the "average civilian" tells them what to do, they automatically dismiss it.Comment
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I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered....
I am not a number! I am a free man
1.)All humanity would be better off if Stoooopid hurt.
2.)Why is it that if guns are sooooo unsafe that you're 9 times more likely to die at the hands of your doctor?
3.)Remember...Buy it cheap & stack it deep
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pnkssbtz for future referance do not inquire from lieutenants about laws most of them have been pushing too much paper. Talk to patrol officers they are the ones who make the call.
I once had an arguement with one about a switch blade only being a misdeamenor and not considered a ballistic knife which by the definition of ballistic means the blade is propelled from the handleComment
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True, this could be extended to any profession where there is an unspoken understanding that the people of that profession are well informed on a particular subject, but the person in particular is not.
Computer tech support is a prime example... "What do you mean delete winsock? NO. GO AWAY I WANT A SUPERVISOR!"Comment
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