Coming to visit, what can I expect?

[mythfit]

I have lived for the past 14 years in AZ and am planning to come to visit my children and grandchildren in CA. (where I have lived most my life). I will be staying just a short while and am planning to pass on through to retire in Oregon. While in CA, what will I need to do to about 10 weapons that I have. Since I will not be staying I really don't want to add bullet buttons or 10 round magazines. Can I break down the weapons and store the parts in separate locked containers to satisfy CA law while I visit? Most of the weapons are legal in CA but a few may require bullet buttons if left in their original configuration and not broken down (mostly AKs and semi-auto sub-guns).

[Librarian]

I have lived for the past 14 years in AZ and am planning to come to visit my children and grandchildren in CA. (where I have lived most my life). I will be staying just a short while and am planning to pass on through to retire in Oregon. While in CA, what will I need to do to about 10 weapons that I have. Since I will not be staying I really don't want to add bullet buttons or 10 round magazines. Can I break down the weapons and store the parts in separate locked containers to satisfy CA law while I visit? Most of the weapons are legal in CA but a few may require bullet buttons if left in their original configuration and not broken down (mostly AKs and semi-auto sub-guns).

Do you have a place to be in OR? Someone who could accept your rifles and hold them?

CA is not in the least forgiving about importing 'assault weapons'. And adding 'bullet buttons' for just a few days is complete nonsense.

But it is legal for you to ship your rifles to yourself in Oregon, so long as no one but you will open the packages.

[cannon]

I have lived for the past 14 years in AZ and am planning to come to visit my children and grandchildren in CA. (where I have lived most my life). I will be staying just a short while and am planning to pass on through to retire in Oregon. While in CA, what will I need to do to about 10 weapons that I have. Since I will not be staying I really don't want to add bullet buttons or 10 round magazines. Can I break down the weapons and store the parts in separate locked containers to satisfy CA law while I visit? Most of the weapons are legal in CA but a few may require bullet buttons if left in their original configuration and not broken down (mostly AKs and semi-auto sub-guns).

It would help if you listed your rifles. That way we can tell you if any are flat out NO-GO's or what steps you can take to get them to Oregon with out getting Ca. trouble.

[mythfit]

It would help if you listed your rifles. That way we can tell you if any are flat out NO-GO's or what steps you can take to get them to Oregon with out getting Ca. trouble.

PSL
AK Pistol
Saiga .410
1911a
Compact 1911a
HiPoint 995 (highly modified with a folding stock)
AK-74
CETME
KelTec 3AT
HiPoint C9

The Saiga is stock for now. I will convert it when I get to Oregon. I plan to Bullpup it.

I am guessing that any type of folding stocks are forbidden. These I can remove.

I also had my eyes on a Galil or a C93 (HK clone). These can wait until Oregon.

[stix213]

ouch, nice stuff but you'll have to go through some trouble to bring some of those with you here.

* Saiga .410 will need a magazine lock (even in stock config), also need to make sure it does not say "Kalashnikov USA" on the side as then it is banned by make/model (yes California legislators are so stupid as to use the name of the importer as the "make")
* AK pistol will need a magazine lock assuming its receiver is not on the banned list (see AW guide link at top of page)
* AK-74 can be made either featureless, or needs magazine lock. It has to be at least 30" length at its shortest configuration. Also need to make sure it is not on the banned list by make and model (see AW guide again, featureless could be as easy as unscrewing the pistol grip depending on how your rifle is configured)
* HiPoint 995 will need a bullet button / magazine lock and must be 30" length with stock folded. If it meets that length folded, then the folding stock is fine. I dont know enough about them to know if you can make it featureless.

All magazines greater than 10 rounds will have to be disassembled into parts kits prior to entering California, unless you have ever had them in California in your possession prior to the year 2000

All your pistols (excluding the AK pistol cause it will have a fixed magazine config to be legal here) can't have threaded barrels. If they do, remove the barrel from the pistol but you can have them in your possession.

1911's should be fine. If you meant P3AT that should be fine.

Not sure about the rest of the guns

If you own any silencers, you can't bring them here, also make sure none of your stuff is in an SBR config, even if you have stamps

All guns should be placed in locked cases since you'll likely travel through school zones in CA, and must be unloaded. Though loaded mags in the cases with them is fine.

Shipping them like Librarian suggests would make the most sense. If you just bring them in as is and take your chances, you're looking at multiple felonies if stopped (meaning you'll be living in CA for a while instead of OR).

Welcome to the Golden State, as in we'll take your gold....

Also, I am not a lawyer. If you intend to bring that collection here you should do even more research than listening to my interweb forum opinion.

[newbee1111]

Could the non-CA compliant firearms be stored in something like PODS where its stored in AZ and then the unit is moved to Oregon later on when he moves?

[mythfit]

ouch, nice stuff but you'll have to go through some trouble to bring some of those with you here.

* Saiga .410 will need a magazine lock (even in stock config), also need to make sure it does not say "Kalashnikov USA" on the side as then it is banned by make/model (yes California legislators are so stupid as to use the name of the importer as the "make")
* AK pistol will need a magazine lock assuming its receiver is not on the banned list (see AW guide link at top of page)
* AK-74 can be made either featureless, or needs magazine lock. It has to be at least 30" length at its shortest configuration. Also need to make sure it is not on the banned list by make and model (see AW guide again, featureless could be as easy as unscrewing the pistol grip depending on how your rifle is configured)
* HiPoint 995 will need a bullet button / magazine lock and must be 30" length with stock folded. If it meets that length folded, then the folding stock is fine. I dont know enough about them to know if you can make it featureless.

All magazines greater than 10 rounds will have to be disassembled into parts kits prior to entering California, unless you have ever had them in California in your possession prior to the year 2000

All your pistols (excluding the AK pistol cause it will have a fixed magazine config to be legal here) can't have threaded barrels. If they do, remove the barrel from the pistol but you can have them in your possession.

1911's should be fine. If you meant P3AT that should be fine.

Not sure about the rest of the guns

If you own any silencers, you can't bring them here, also make sure none of your stuff is in an SBR config, even if you have stamps

All guns should be placed in locked cases since you'll likely travel through school zones in CA, and must be unloaded. Though loaded mags in the cases with them is fine.

Shipping them like Librarian suggests would make the most sense. If you just bring them in as is and take your chances, you're looking at multiple felonies if stopped (meaning you'll be living in CA for a while instead of OR).

Welcome to the Golden State, as in we'll take your gold....

Also, I am not a lawyer. If you intend to bring that collection here you should do even more research than listening to my interweb forum opinion.

Really appreciate all the info. That helped a lot.

Yes the HiPoint is smaller than 30" folded. I got it exactly at 26" before I found out I could go shorter in AZ. Picture below:



I am now thinking in terms of selling this one before l leave. Fun gun but not important. I could disassemble it down the the barrel and the bolt if need be.

I am kind of worried about the CETME. Anyone know about this one? I will check the AW list for it.

Well, it looks like most of the guns can enter CA with a little modification. I will of course chuck all of that crud when I get to Oregon.

[mythfit]

Could the non-CA compliant firearms be stored in something like PODS where its stored in AZ and then the unit is moved to Oregon later on when he moves?

Great idea! I will check with PODS before I leave to see if they can ship firearms to a location in Oregon from Arizona.

[mythfit]

CRUD! Found the CETME on the AW list. GROAN! Glad I won't be staying.

[Quiet]

CRUD! Found the CETME on the AW list. GROAN! Glad I won't be staying.

Is this a (make) Century Arms International (model) CETME or a (make) MARS Equipment Company (model) CETME?

Because, the Century Arms CETME is not on the make/model assault weapons list and the MARS CETME is on the list.

[m98]

My advice is either to go around kommifornia or ship your toys to yourself in OR. Are you driving thru kommi? If so your AZ plates would attract cops like flies on sh**. Legal toys or not if you get pulled over just expect jail time and loose lots of $$$. You could just pack the 1911 in a lock box and should be ok. But the other toys will get the chp, sherriff, pd, swat, natl guards and navy seals comming your way.

[rjh4758]

PSL
AK Pistol
Saiga .410
1911a
Compact 1911a
HiPoint 995 (highly modified with a folding stock)
AK-74
CETME
KelTec 3AT
HiPoint C9

The Saiga is stock for now. I will convert it when I get to Oregon. I plan to Bullpup it.

I am guessing that any type of folding stocks are forbidden. These I can remove.

I also had my eyes on a Galil or a C93 (HK clone). These can wait until Oregon.

AK Pistol going to need a Bullet button after seeing if the make and model is banned or not
Saiga .410 needs bullet button
1911a lock it in a gun case and your fine
Compact 1911a. lock it in a gun case and your fine
HiPoint 995 (highly modified with a folding stock)too short
AK-74 going to need a Bullet button after seeing if the make and model is banned or not
CETME banned can not enter CA
KelTec 3AT lock it in a gun case and your fine
HiPoint C9 lock it in a gun case and your fine


The CETME the receiver can not enter the state at all. The high point carbine is too short with the stock and needs a bullet button. AK and AK 74 can be broken down and have all the Evil features removed you will be fine. So long as they do not have bayonet lugs which can not be removed unless you want to grind them off. Just don't reassemble them while you are here. The Saiga 410 will need a bullet button just no way around it.


What I would do is buy 3 AK bullet buttons to put on the AK variants. Lock the pistols in a case. Ship the CETME and High point carbone Fed-ex or UPS and have it held at a shipping location in OR. I think UPS only hold 5 days Fed-ex might be longer but call them. When you get to OR take the Bullet buttons of and post them in the Calguns market place.

[mythfit]

Is this a (make) Century Arms International (model) CETME or a (make) MARS Equipment Company (model) CETME?

Because, the Century Arms CETME is not on the make/model assault weapons list and the MARS CETME is on the list.

I asked this on the legal thread and am happy to see CIA is not on the list. Still I am a little leery about bringing it into CA. I probably will ship it to Oregon.

As for the HiPoint I guess I will break down and get it a new ATI stock for it. I want to give this one to my son when I get there. Bullet button and ATI stock should be within legal limits.