Whats the beef with Paypal on CGN?

[Moress]

Hello,

Recently I started selling some stuff I no longer need in the for sale section. Well, I got a couple buyers, but it seems like everyone on CGN won't deal with Paypal, I guess because they have an anti firearm policy.

I just don't get it, I buy firearms related crap all the time, even on ebay with my paypall account! It's much more secure then sending money orders in the mail, and if you get ripped off, it's really easy to file a claim.

I have no beef with people sending me money orders or whatever, just curious to know what the deal is. They've never denied me a purchase, despite their 'policy'. Methinks maybe it's just for show so the liberals can have their cake and eat it? I mean afterall, they are a business, and money is money.

[Merc1138]

It's because buyers and sellers have been screwed with paypal's anti gun policies. Yes, you can buy some gun related things via paypal, but have fun trying to buy ammunition with the transaction description saying what it is, or magazines(transactions get flagged with key words). When that happens, vendors end up getting accounts closed(which can effectively put some people out of business), and paypal treats them like they're accused of arms trafficking to mexico or something with NO means to resolve the issue and re-instate the accounts. As buyers, people end up getting accounts flagged for violations and get warnings(too many and that long standing paypal account you've had goes bye-bye). The fees make it even worse(btw, if you receive enough money via paypal they force you to turn your account into a merchant account while holding your money hostage, then because you're a merchant now you get charged even higher fees), and now they want to report income via paypal as taxable income(even if you're just an individual selling a collection of stuff and not an actual vendor, if you meet their criteria they don't care).

That's just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to problems with paypal.

[AJAX22]

They also do not recognize corporations as legal persons. Forcing c corps to open accounts using the identity of one of their officers.

[Exile Machine]

If you use PayPal to buy/sell firearms related items you are violating their terms of service. Sure you could spin the wheel and hope they don't catch you. But if they do, they have spelled out what can happen to you in advance. I know no one but lawyers read the fine print but here are the relevant portions I've highlighted in bold:

You may not use the PayPal service for activities that:
2. relate to sales of (h) ammunition, firearms, or certain firearm parts or accessories

10.3 Actions by PayPal - Restricted Activities. If PayPal, in its sole discretion, believes that you may have engaged in any Restricted Activities, we may take various actions to protect PayPal, eBay, other Users, other third parties, or you from Reversals, Chargebacks, Claims, fees, fines, penalties and any other liability. The actions we may take include but are not limited to the following:

1. We may close, suspend, or limit your access to your Account or the PayPal Services (such as limiting access to any of your Payment Methods, and/or your ability to send money, make withdrawals, or remove financial Information);
2. We may contact Users who have purchased goods or services from you, contact your bank or credit card issuer, and/or warn other Users, law enforcement, or impacted third parties of your actions;
3. We may update inaccurate Information you provided us;
4. We may refuse to provide the PayPal Services to you in the future;
5. We may hold your funds for up to 180 Days if reasonably needed to protect against the risk of liability or if you have violated our Acceptable Use Policy;
6. We may take legal action against you; and
7. If you violate the PayPal Acceptable Use Policy, then in addition to the above actions$2,500.00 USD per violation

[bender152]

It's much more secure then sending money orders in the mail, and if you get ripped off, it's really easy to file a claim.

I'm not sure if you're trolling, but regardless...

When the item in question is firearms related, try filing a claim and see what they say.

Many people here, myself included, have had their paypal account blocked due to suspected firearms-related transactions. I can show you the emails to prove it.

I was even ultra-careful when logging on to paypal, I would always open a new browser window when logging in to paypal (so that they could not see what site I was coming from) and of course, did not enter any gun-related terms into the transaction. They still snagged my account.

[high_revs]

probably because Moress wasn't listing anything that is a firearm term in his paypal transacations? i highly doubt putting "pistol" or "glock" or something in any field/description would miss their scanning process (which is the trick of how you can still use paypal for any 2A related transactions).

[CHS]

Paypal and Ebay are just plain anti-gun. That's the reason.

[Seesm]

Paypal is anti freedom so they suck.

[dieselpower]

Paypal and Ebay are just plain anti-gun. That's the reason.

No, they are not. E-pay and Paypay are only against firearm parts NOT sold where they get a cut of the profits.

You can sell a magpul Stock on E-pay using paypay, you can't sell that same stock person to person using paypay.

its all about the money...

[thai562]

I will like them better if they just provide a service and not their anti-gun opinions. I try my best not to use them if I can.
If I do use them for gun related stuff, I marked the transaction as gift so they don't get any of my money.

[coltn46920]

I just bought gun some parts through pay pal and my description/comments to the seller clearly had to do with guns. So far everything went through. Should I be worried?

[paul0660]

I use them all the time. They are up front about it, and they can run their biz as they like.

I once sold a M48 and the guy paypaled me with Mauser in the memo. My blood ran cold. Nothing happened.

[Sub95]

I have there paypal debit card and bought a few guns with it, even out of state, they even called to make sure i was buying them. I buy lots of stuff gun related with paypal never been flagged. but i do know they have key word screening. it is just easy for me to paypal then to send of a check.

[mif_slim]

All but 1 of my itrader was done with paypal...maybe you just got unlucky?

[evidens83]

I've done 95% of my Cal Guns marketplace transactions through Paypal