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  • bob7122
    Calguns Addict
    • Jul 2010
    • 5090

    would it be prudent or practical to mount a hd camera on a gun for use in court?

    for example someone breaks into your house and you shoot him for fear of harm coming upon yourself or your family. this way you can display that you had sufficient belief that your life was in danger based upon what you saw.
    Originally posted by 2761377
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    it's a piss poor excuse to quit.
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  • #2
    1_Grendel
    Member
    • Feb 2010
    • 377

    i wont show what you saw but what the camera saw.

    it could get you in more trouble "could"

    it is a crapshoot may help may not

    edit, spelling
    Last edited by 1_Grendel; 05-30-2011, 8:19 PM.
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    • #3
      The Virus
      Banned
      • May 2011
      • 1135

      Lemme get this straight.
      1. Someone breaks into your house
      2. You shoot the intruder because you fear for your life
      3. You go to court and the attorney asks you shot said intruder because you feared for your life, but had the time and presence of mind to mount or turn on the HD camera mounted on your weapon and the hit record before shooting said intruder?

      cameras take a few seconds at least to power up then another second to go into record
      lock.

      Think about it, the whole thing is a bad idea from start to finish.

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      • #4
        TomHynes
        Junior Member
        • Nov 2007
        • 60

        I like the idea.

        Make it part of a gun light or laser. Whenever you turn the light or laser on, the camera rolls. Or, with accelerometers, it could detect that the gun is out of the holster and start taping - video and audio.

        I would start by putting one on every cop's gun and taser.

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        • #5
          manuelcardenas77
          Veteran Member
          • Aug 2009
          • 2512

          Originally posted by The Virus
          Lemme get this straight.
          1. Someone breaks into your house
          2. You shoot the intruder because you fear for your life
          3. You go to court and the attorney asks you shot said intruder because you feared for your life, but had the time and presence of mind to mount or turn on the HD camera mounted on your weapon and the hit record before shooting said intruder?

          cameras take a few seconds at least to power up then another second to go into record
          lock.

          Think about it, the whole thing is a bad idea from start to finish.
          WHat he said!

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          • #6
            1_Grendel
            Member
            • Feb 2010
            • 377

            there are other studies like this but this is what i have in mind when i say the camera and you may not see the same thing; count the passes

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            • #7
              bob7122
              Calguns Addict
              • Jul 2010
              • 5090

              Originally posted by The Virus
              Lemme get this straight.
              1. Someone breaks into your house
              2. You shoot the intruder because you fear for your life
              3. You go to court and the attorney asks you shot said intruder because you feared for your life, but had the time and presence of mind to mount or turn on the HD camera mounted on your weapon and the hit record before shooting said intruder?

              cameras take a few seconds at least to power up then another second to go into record
              lock.

              Think about it, the whole thing is a bad idea from start to finish.

              no my idea would be to have one HD gun with this mounted already and as soon as you pick it up it'll be recording. the way you put it. it's like i am premeditating murder but i am just covering my ***. hopefully this explains my thinking.

              BUT I LIKE THAT YOU ARE VOICING YOUR OPINION/ATTACKING THE IDEA THIS WILL DETERMINE IF IT IS A GOOD OR HORRIBLE IDEA .
              Last edited by bob7122; 05-30-2011, 8:58 PM.
              Originally posted by 2761377
              man's greatest accomplishments have been achieved in the face of futility.
              it's a piss poor excuse to quit.
              PSN name= entwie_dumayla
              "I came into this world with someone else's blood on me and I don't mind leaving the same way..."
              ***looking to buy in great condition yugo sks***

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              • #8
                bob7122
                Calguns Addict
                • Jul 2010
                • 5090

                Originally posted by 1_Grendel
                there are other studies like this but this is what i have in mind when i say the camera and you may not see the same thing; count the passes

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udxOFMU46Lc
                couldn't i walk the jury through my train of thought and my perception of the video?
                Originally posted by 2761377
                man's greatest accomplishments have been achieved in the face of futility.
                it's a piss poor excuse to quit.
                PSN name= entwie_dumayla
                "I came into this world with someone else's blood on me and I don't mind leaving the same way..."
                ***looking to buy in great condition yugo sks***

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                • #9
                  Cokebottle
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                  • Oct 2009
                  • 32373

                  Originally posted by bob7122
                  couldn't i walk the jury through my train of thought and my perception of the video?
                  There's no guarantee that they'd see it that way.

                  They won't have the stress and adrenalin flowing that will give you tunnel vision. What you saw as a knife in his hand, the jury will CLEARLY be able to see that it was a partially unwrapped Hershey bar that he had just snagged from your kitchen.

                  Okay, that's a silly extreme, but it gets the point across. You think you see a gun, the jury will have the time and calm mind to see exactly what was going on and there won't be any "flash" judgment.

                  "I'm sorry officer, I was in fear for my life. I'll be happy to answer any questions that you may have tomorrow after I have talked to my attorney, but I'm too shaken up to talk about it right now"

                  Your attorney will tell you EXACTLY what to say to the jury.
                  The mere presence of your video can not legally be hidden. The cops will have it when they take your gun into evidence.... and your attorney is going to do a major facepalm when he finds out about it.
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                  • #10
                    bob7122
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Jul 2010
                    • 5090

                    Originally posted by Cokebottle
                    There's no guarantee that they'd see it that way.

                    They won't have the stress and adrenalin flowing that will give you tunnel vision. What you saw as a knife in his hand, the jury will CLEARLY be able to see that it was a partially unwrapped Hershey bar that he had just snagged from your kitchen.

                    Okay, that's a silly extreme, but it gets the point across. You think you see a gun, the jury will have the time and calm mind to see exactly what was going on and there won't be any "flash" judgment.

                    "I'm sorry officer, I was in fear for my life. I'll be happy to answer any questions that you may have tomorrow after I have talked to my attorney, but I'm too shaken up to talk about it right now"

                    Your attorney will tell you EXACTLY what to say to the jury.
                    The mere presence of your video can not legally be hidden. The cops will have it when they take your gun into evidence.... and your attorney is going to do a major facepalm when he finds out about it.
                    ok questioned cleared up thank you no camera on my hd gun.
                    Originally posted by 2761377
                    man's greatest accomplishments have been achieved in the face of futility.
                    it's a piss poor excuse to quit.
                    PSN name= entwie_dumayla
                    "I came into this world with someone else's blood on me and I don't mind leaving the same way..."
                    ***looking to buy in great condition yugo sks***

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                    • #11
                      707electrician
                      Veteran Member
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 2889

                      Just put up security cameras in your house that constantly record
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                      • #12
                        Super Spy
                        Veteran Member
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 3461

                        If you have a home security system with night vision video I think that would be practical, having a camera on your gun, powering it on, hitting record, etc......I don't see that working well, and I do see a DA making it look really bad to a jury. Having a home surveillance system that happens to catch the whole incident is quite different, you can have night vision camera's mounted in multiple locations, and it doesn't look like your trying to catch video of you hunting bad guys.
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                        • #13
                          johnthomas
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 7001

                          You shoot intruder, call 911, report what happened, call your attorney, cops come, have your attorney make a statement for you. If you recorded the incident, give the recording to your attorney, let him decide if it can be used if a defense is needed. Remember the 5th. Do nothing to incriminate yourself. Remember the Miranda Warning, whatever you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. Also remember, in the initial report you probably will not be under arrest, anything you tell them can and will be used against you if the DA decides to put you on trial because many in law enforcement feel the victim has no right to protect themselves or loved ones.
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                          • #14
                            bob7122
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Jul 2010
                            • 5090

                            Originally posted by Super Spy
                            If you have a home security system with night vision video I think that would be practical, having a camera on your gun, powering it on, hitting record, etc......I don't see that working well, and I do see a DA making it look really bad to a jury. Having a home surveillance system that happens to catch the whole incident is quite different, you can have night vision camera's mounted in multiple locations, and it doesn't look like your trying to catch video of you hunting bad guys.
                            Originally posted by johnthomas
                            You shoot intruder, call 911, report what happened, call your attorney, cops come, have your attorney make a statement for you. If you recorded the incident, give the recording to your attorney, let him decide if it can be used if a defense is needed. Remember the 5th. Do nothing to incriminate yourself. Remember the Miranda Warning, whatever you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. Also remember, in the initial report you probably will not be under arrest, anything you tell them can and will be used against you if the DA decides to put you on trial because many in law enforcement feel the victim has no right to protect themselves or loved ones.

                            thanks for the advice guys. i really do appreciate it.
                            Originally posted by 2761377
                            man's greatest accomplishments have been achieved in the face of futility.
                            it's a piss poor excuse to quit.
                            PSN name= entwie_dumayla
                            "I came into this world with someone else's blood on me and I don't mind leaving the same way..."
                            ***looking to buy in great condition yugo sks***

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                            • #15
                              G-forceJunkie
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Jul 2010
                              • 6174

                              Right. If, god for bid you have to shoot someone DO NOT TALK TO THE POLICE!




                              Originally posted by johnthomas


                              You shoot intruder, call 911, report what happened, call your attorney, cops come, have your attorney make a statement for you. If you recorded the incident, give the recording to your attorney, let him decide if it can be used if a defense is needed. Remember the 5th. Do nothing to incriminate yourself. Remember the Miranda Warning, whatever you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. Also remember, in the initial report you probably will not be under arrest, anything you tell them can and will be used against you if the DA decides to put you on trial because many in law enforcement feel the victim has no right to protect themselves or loved ones.

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