Changing the terms we use.

[ghostwong]

[CSACANNONEER]

Please add my definition of:

Sniper rifle - Any rifle in the hands of a trained sniper.

Antis like and use the evil term "sniper rifle" to spread fear to the un/misinformed. If you have a "percission rifle", that's what you should call it. Also, the less we use the word "tactical" the better.

[PIRATE14]

Pretty useless........I try and get these guys from saying EVIL FEATURES but they don't listen...

[CSACANNONEER]

Pretty useless........I try and get these guys from saying EVIL FEATURES but they don't listen...

"Proper features", "manufacturer suggested features" or manufacturer approved fetures" would all be better.

[Fjold]

Most guys here use the California legal definitions. "Assault rifle" and "High Capacity" are both defined in the law.

[SnWnMe]

Defined by the law written by antis so the definition is in keeping with what they want Joe Public to believe. The OP is talking about sticking to the real, technical definitions.

[ZombieKiller]

excellent thread ........

[damon1272]

With regards to magazines I would like to see the term low capacity for mags under 10 rnds and the term full capacity mags for firearms that use the original size mags.

[aplinker]

Most guys here use the California legal definitions. "Assault rifle" and "High Capacity" are both defined in the law.

For CA laws... Assault weapons and large capacity magazines... flash suppresors... they all are defined. High capacity is not. Assault rifle is not.

We actually rarely use the words from the laws.

Sorry, but I'm going to use the most frightening words I can. I think I'll start calling mine "potential instruments of genocide." PIGs for short. Of course I'm referring to my car that creates greenhouse gases.

I call my semi-automatic, feature filled rifle a "protector of all babies... and kittens."

[CavTrooper]

A while back the term "Homeland Defense Rifle" was being kicked around as a replacement for "Assault rifle". I guess it never stuck, havent seen it used in lately. Im all for the term "Homeland Defense Rifle", who in thier right mind would be against homeland defense!

[hoffmang]

Most guys here use the California legal definitions. "Assault rifle" and "High Capacity" are both defined in the law.

Uhm... Neither of those are defined terms in the California Penal Code. The terms are:

Assault Weapon - PC 12276
Large-Capacity Magazine - PC 12020

I'd suggest using OP's logic and choose to call them what they are or the correct legal terms and not spread the wrong words further.

-Gene

[Fjold]

Uhm... Neither of those are defined terms in the California Penal Code. The terms are:

Assault Weapon - PC 12276
Large-Capacity Magazine - PC 12020

I'd suggest using OP's logic and choose to call them what they are or the correct legal terms and not spread the wrong words further.

-Gene

Oops, you are correct. The state recognizes "Assault Weapons" and "Large capacity magazines"

I was researching the question about FFL's and large capacity magazine sales and found the May 28, 2004 AG's announcement where they busted Defense Technologies Inc and used all the terminology. I should have known that the AG's office couldn't get the laws correct.


In March, agents with the DOJ Firearms Division executed a search warrant at Sun's business, Defense Technologies Inc., 22600 Lambert Street in Lake Forest. The search warrant also included Sun's residence at 49 Blue Horizon in Laguna Niguel.

The search warrant was based on information that Sun possessed a large number of assault shotguns, which he was advertising for sale on the Internet, along with high capacity magazines. Sun, a licensed federal firearms dealer, is not certified as a California Firearms Dealer, nor does he have the permits required to sell assault weapons or high capacity magazines.

Seized from the business and residence were a total of two machines guns, 26 assault rifles, one assault pistol, 482 assault shotguns, 388 rifles, 10 shotguns, 527 pistols, and 23,572 high capacity magazines. Also seized were two grenade launchers.

[metalhead357]

I love the theory.....

But I stand agast with Shakespeare's... A rose by any other name.....

[Travis]

I don't think anyone will ever break the "assault rifle" or "high capacity" terminology. Trying would probably be as useless as trying to get people to quit calling magazines "clips".

The mag issue is especially hard to define. A 10 round magazine for a 9mm Sig P226 is less than standard capacity. A 10 round magazine for a Sig P220 in .45 is more than standard capacity. Trying to set rules as to what is regular capacity and what is not without getting model and caliber specific would be nearly impossible.