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(20) As used in this section, a "rifle" means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger.
Wonder what case triggered all the made or remade, designed or redesigned.
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After reading about franklin armorys xo-26 I was thinking.
I looked online, to see what I can find in 12001 of cpc. leginfo.ca.gov clips the 12001cpc definition.
I can't find where CA DOJ defines a rifle. Or is that the mischief part?
There is none, so they construe it in a case by case basis?
I did see somewhere that even if it has a 16+ inch barrel, but was designed to be interchanged with a <16 inch barrel, it would still be considered a pistol.
12001. (a) (1) As used in this title, the terms "pistol,"
"revolver," and "firearm capable of being concealed upon the person"
shall apply to and include any device designed to be used as a
weapon, from which is expelled a projectile by the force of any
explosion, or other form of combustion, and that has a barrel less
than 16 inches in length. These terms also include any device that
has a barrel 16 inches or more in length which is designed to be
interchanged with a barrel less than 16 inches in length.
Why doesn't this apply to shotguns or rifles? Lots of firearms have after market barrels less than 16inches.
I don't see anything about overall length. So a legal AR could be considered a pistol? Based on there being Short Barrels for it?
What if you are building from an 80%? How does DOJ classify your weapon after you build it from an 80%. What is their checklist? Where is this checklist or flowchart of firearms identification?
Where is CA DOJ's flowchart of firearms identification when there is no manufacturer? Basically an 80% build flowchart.
In court cases where is the part where they say "this is a shotgun because of " and list the definitions? or this is a pistol because of barrel length or whatever characteristics. Do they call a doj rep as a witness and they just trust that he/she knows what they are talking about?
Does CA DOJ have a lawyer that wades through penal codes and defines things based on them? I suppose that is why lawyers make the big bucks, turn penal codes into identification flowcharts. Legal debuggers
Wish doj had a form on the website to check boxes and it would spit out whether you have a pistol, firearm, rifle, shotgun, aw status. this that..other. etc.
How does the bill that proposes requiring long guns to be registered affect weapons identification in California?
Will making your own from an 80% require registration?
What would the registration instructions be?
Pulling this from DOJ faq.
How do I know if my firearms need to be registered?
There is no firearm registration requirement in California except for assault weapon owners and personal handgun importers. However, you may submit a Firearm Ownership Record to the DOJ for any firearm you own. Having a Firearm Ownership Record on file with the DOJ may help in the return of your firearm if it is lost or stolen. With very few and specific exceptions, all firearm transactions must be conducted through a firearms dealer.
importers? That implies that the handgun I bought in california, from my local gunshop, isn't registered to me? I thought it was automatically at time of purchase.
When do they take comments on a bill before or after it passes? Blah...I know this is all over the place but any help would be great.
It'd be nice if DOJ had a "homework hotline" But I have read to be weary of contacting DOJ.
Somebody posted this for me.
(20) As used in this section, a "rifle" means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger.
Wonder what case triggered all the made or remade, designed or redesigned.
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After reading about franklin armorys xo-26 I was thinking.
I looked online, to see what I can find in 12001 of cpc. leginfo.ca.gov clips the 12001cpc definition.
I can't find where CA DOJ defines a rifle. Or is that the mischief part?
There is none, so they construe it in a case by case basis?
I did see somewhere that even if it has a 16+ inch barrel, but was designed to be interchanged with a <16 inch barrel, it would still be considered a pistol.
12001. (a) (1) As used in this title, the terms "pistol,"
"revolver," and "firearm capable of being concealed upon the person"
shall apply to and include any device designed to be used as a
weapon, from which is expelled a projectile by the force of any
explosion, or other form of combustion, and that has a barrel less
than 16 inches in length. These terms also include any device that
has a barrel 16 inches or more in length which is designed to be
interchanged with a barrel less than 16 inches in length.
Why doesn't this apply to shotguns or rifles? Lots of firearms have after market barrels less than 16inches.
I don't see anything about overall length. So a legal AR could be considered a pistol? Based on there being Short Barrels for it?
What if you are building from an 80%? How does DOJ classify your weapon after you build it from an 80%. What is their checklist? Where is this checklist or flowchart of firearms identification?
Where is CA DOJ's flowchart of firearms identification when there is no manufacturer? Basically an 80% build flowchart.
In court cases where is the part where they say "this is a shotgun because of " and list the definitions? or this is a pistol because of barrel length or whatever characteristics. Do they call a doj rep as a witness and they just trust that he/she knows what they are talking about?
Does CA DOJ have a lawyer that wades through penal codes and defines things based on them? I suppose that is why lawyers make the big bucks, turn penal codes into identification flowcharts. Legal debuggers
Wish doj had a form on the website to check boxes and it would spit out whether you have a pistol, firearm, rifle, shotgun, aw status. this that..other. etc.
How does the bill that proposes requiring long guns to be registered affect weapons identification in California?
Will making your own from an 80% require registration?
What would the registration instructions be?
Pulling this from DOJ faq.
How do I know if my firearms need to be registered?
There is no firearm registration requirement in California except for assault weapon owners and personal handgun importers. However, you may submit a Firearm Ownership Record to the DOJ for any firearm you own. Having a Firearm Ownership Record on file with the DOJ may help in the return of your firearm if it is lost or stolen. With very few and specific exceptions, all firearm transactions must be conducted through a firearms dealer.
importers? That implies that the handgun I bought in california, from my local gunshop, isn't registered to me? I thought it was automatically at time of purchase.
When do they take comments on a bill before or after it passes? Blah...I know this is all over the place but any help would be great.
It'd be nice if DOJ had a "homework hotline" But I have read to be weary of contacting DOJ.
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