ownership?

[packnrat]

here is one the people in the know.

can one who lives is say californa, own a gun not ok there......
but it is stored in a locked area and in a safe, in another state? say nevada.

or do all of ones guns be kept in the state were one lives..only.

[Josh3239]

Well you cannot buy a gun out of state if your only a California resident.

The only legal way you get yourself a California-illegal gun and keep it outside California is to buy a Cali-legal gun here such as a fixed mag AR15, leave the state, and remove the lock. Or I suppose your parents could give you one, as long as its kept outside of California. I don't see why it would be illegal to keep that rifle in your home or a storage locker outside California. And you can bring the rifle in again as long as its California-legalized.

[Fjold]

You can store any legally owned guns in Nevada

[packnrat]

as ca does not like to many types of guns, i was hoping with my c&r i could buy something out of the state and just keep it there,

it would be a legal purchse, and a legal gun in the other state.

just did not know if ca has a law agenst owning a gun but keeping it out of the state, due to ca not liking that gun.



i am NOT trying to do anything illegal just trying to not break any laws.

[hoffmang]

There are very few arms that your C&R would allow you to buy out of state that are not legal in CA with your C&R. Are you thinking of some older rifle that violates the by features AW ban?

As long as you acquired the firearm legally you can store it outside of CA.

-Gene

[VegasND]

There are warehouses here in Nevada that store firearms that are not legal in California for their owners. If I must move back to California I will leave my perfectly legal arms that are evil and frighten CA lawmakers with my son in Arizona. That's why I joined here, to make sure I don't bring anything that will cause me any problems. If I return, I will also work diligently to change the laws so they resemble those of my youth (and if things continue as they are likely vacate CA as soon as I can). The last is a shame because I've never found anyplace I like as much as SoCal...

[Mssr. Eleganté]

...i was hoping with my c&r i could buy something out of the state and just keep it there...

Besides what Hoffmang already pointed out about there being very few C&R firearms you can buy that aren't already legal in California, you have to worry about the storage requirements associated with being a Licensed Collector. If ATF ever wanted to do a yearly compliance inspection, you'd need to bring the firearm into California for the inspection, either to your licensed premises or to the ATF office closest to your licensed premises. This would cause you to be in violation of California law.

[jdberger]

Besides what Hoffmang already pointed out about there being very few C&R firearms you can buy that aren't already legal in California, you have to worry about the storage requirements associated with being a Licensed Collector. If ATF ever wanted to do a yearly compliance inspection, you'd need to bring the firearm into California for the inspection, either to your licensed premises or to the ATF office closest to your licensed premises. This would cause you to be in violation of California law.

Hmmm.......that's interesting. Never really considered that....

[Fate]

If ATF ever wanted to do a yearly compliance inspection, you'd need to bring the firearm into California for the inspection, either to your licensed premises or to the ATF office closest to your licensed premises. This would cause you to be in violation of California law.

While they could require you to bring your weapons into the office, I've never heard of anyone actually being asked to bring in anything more than the bound book.

[geeknow]

Besides what Hoffmang already pointed out about there being very few C&R firearms you can buy that aren't already legal in California, you have to worry about the storage requirements associated with being a Licensed Collector. If ATF ever wanted to do a yearly compliance inspection, you'd need to bring the firearm into California for the inspection, either to your licensed premises or to the ATF office closest to your licensed premises. This would cause you to be in violation of California law.

While you are required to comply with an inspection of your inventory and records, the term "inventory" applies only to "curios and relics acquired after the receipt of the Collector's license." This does not apply to firearms bought prior to your license date, nor does it apply to firearms that are not C&R eligible. Further, you have the right to select whether the inspection is to take place at your place of residence (which is the address tied to your license) or the nearest ATF office. The best advice that I have to offer is, if required to submit to an inspection, choose to have said inspection take place at their office, and take only those firearms that are BOTH C&R eligible and bought after your license date. But, I think the chances of the ATF asking you to bring a bunch of firearms into their office is somewhere between slim and none.

[Mssr. Eleganté]

...The best advice that I have to offer is, if required to submit to an inspection, choose to have said inspection take place at their office, and take only those firearms that are BOTH C&R eligible and bought after your license date. But, I think the chances of the ATF asking you to bring a bunch of firearms into their office is somewhere between slim and none.

So you are advising him to bring a firearm that is illegal to possess in California to an ATF audit in California?!?! Or are you saying that he should just cross his fingers and hope that he is never asked to bring his collection into the ATF office if he gets audited?

[Mssr. Eleganté]

as ca does not like to many types of guns, i was hoping with my c&r i could buy something out of the state and just keep it there,

Hey, wait a minute. I just thought of something. You could buy this C&R firearm while out of state, log it into your bound book, then modify it enough that it looses its C&R status, then log it out of your bound book since it is no longer C&R. Then you could store it out of state without having to worry about bringing it back in if you get a yearly compliance audit.

But the question still remains, what kind of gun we talking about? Maybe a Yugo M59/66 that you could modify with a detachable mag and folding stock. (playing the 922r game of course)

[hoffmang]

I'm quite confident that stipulating to the C&R being stored out of California is both legal and allowable. Worst case, you would do the audit on all the firearms stored in CA at your local ATF office and then ask to perform the remainder at the NV office for example.

A C&R does not require storage at the licensee location.

-Gene

[geeknow]

So you are advising him to bring a firearm that is illegal to possess in California to an ATF audit in California?!?! Or are you saying that he should just cross his fingers and hope that he is never asked to bring his collection into the ATF office if he gets audited?

To be clear, i am not advising anyone do anything contrary to the letter of the law. I am simply stating that, per ATF rules, the term "inventory" may not apply to all firearms in the gentleman's possesion. Their annual inspection only pertains to those firearms and records that are C&R eligible and that were transferred into his possesion AFTER his license date. Say for example, he possesed (legally) a firearm that no longer is allowed in CA, but is legally "grandfathered" to him, he need not bring that firearm to a audit as it does not meet the requirements of the term "inventory". Another example would be a sweet old Garand that he went out and bought (and DROS'd the old fashioned way) prior to his license date. Again, dont do anything illegal. Just read your State Laws and Published Ordinances book (the big blue one that came with your FFL) and follow the letter of the law.

[Mssr. Eleganté]

To be clear, i am not advising anyone do anything contrary to the letter of the law. I am simply stating that, per ATF rules, the term "inventory" may not apply to all firearms in the gentleman's possesion. Their annual inspection only pertains to those firearms and records that are C&R eligible and that were transferred into his possesion AFTER his license date.

But the gentleman in question says right there in his second post that he wants to go out of state and use his C&R FFL to acquire the gun...

...i was hoping with my c&r i could buy something out of the state and just keep it there...

That's why your post didn't make sense. Everything you said about what is or isn't considered to be the "inventory" of an 03FFL is 100% true. It just has no bearing on the situation packnrat was describing.