Moving to CA from a Gun Friendly State. What can I bring in??

[Sei-Helo-2myLiter-Fren]

Hello All

I'm new to the forums and will be a CA resident soon. I must say I'm NOT looking forward to it as some of my "Toys" are not CA friendly. I need to find out if my non-CA friendly items can be brought in or not as a previous owner? I know they cannot be purchased in CA but Ive heard that some "Of-Roster" items can be kept but not registered.

I'm coming from a VERY LIBERAL gun state that has little to no weapon sales/purchase restrictions so I have quite a few that I have acquired by PPT which in some cases was just a "cash for weapon" transaction thus no paperwork is available and may not be able to bring with me and will need to sell prior to my Westward move.

So I need to know whats the scoop on the ownership/registration/future sale/ect of my Non-CA-Friendly items. A link or guru insight will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

[Baconator]

First, sorry you are coming to this ****hole of a state.

If you read the links at the top, the Calgun Wiki, and the AW guides, you can get an idea of what is allowed.

[RickyB]

Don't waste time or money shipping your personal freedoms over here.....just bring lots of cash.......

[ghost]

what toys are you talking about?

[Spetsnazos]

Don't listen to the CA haters. Our state has booming business(one of the top economies in the whole world), GREAT weather considering you have hobbies that don't only include guns, GREAT outdoor/recreation communities for all sorts of hobbies. If guns is all you care about, then yes CA is bad, otherwise its a great state and we welcome you!

I would check the sticky for your AW and such, as well as your magazines.

[Baconator]

Don't listen to the CA haters. Our state has booming business(one of the top economies in the whole world), GREAT weather considering you have hobbies that don't only include guns, GREAT outdoor/recreation communities for all sorts of hobbies. If guns is all you care about, then yes CA is bad, otherwise its a great state and we welcome you!

I would check the sticky for your AW and such, as well as your magazines.

Where is this "booming business?" The unemployment rate is above the national average.

[RickyB]

Where is this "booming business?" The unemployment rate is above the national average.

No duh. The only booming I hear is from the doors of businesses slamming shut and from the sound of U-Hauls busting through the sound barrier as they speed towards other states.....

[Sei-Helo-2myLiter-Fren]

First, sorry you are coming to this ****hole of a state.

If you read the links at the top, the Calgun Wiki, and the AW guides, you can get an idea of what is allowed.

Thanks... Im noticing more and more that CA is not all that's cracked up to be. I'll make a night out of reading it.... will see if my career move was worth my limited freedom to bare arms and giving up my CCP/CCW

what toys are you talking about?

Well.... Just a few that I know are not CA-Friendly

Russian PPS 43
Top Folder Mossberg 16" Brl w/vert brip
Side Folder AK47 w/75rnd drum
HK Mark23
HK45c
HK51
AR15 pistol w/100rnd twin drum
AR15 w/.50 Cal BMG upper
Kriss Vector
FN PS90

And their perspective Hi-Cap mags
So.... can I bring my kids in or sell locally to the highest bidder?

[Baconator]

Thanks... Im noticing more and more that CA is not all that's cracked up to be. I'll make a night out of reading it.... will see if my career move was worth my limited freedom to bare arms and giving up my CCP/CCW




Well.... Just a few that I know are not CA-Friendly

Russian PPS 43
Top Folder Mossberg 16" Brl w/vert brip
Side Folder AK47 w/75rnd drum
HK Mark23
HK45c
HK51
AR15 pistol w/100rnd twin drum
AR15 w/.50 Cal BMG upper
Kriss Vector
FN PS90

And their perspective Hi-Cap mags
So.... can I bring my kids in or sell locally to the highest bidder?

For the easy answer. You cannot import any high cap magazines (>10 rounds). You cannot bring any AR style guns with lowers listed on the flowchart in the menu above. Handguns should be good, provided they don't have threaded barrels and such.

[Spetsnazos]

Where is this "booming business?" The unemployment rate is above the national average.

sorry this state doesn't allow for indentured servants or slave labor. Businesses who cant compete by paying people a fair wage can go to Texas and rip people off. Are you denying the fact that California is one of the largest world economies?

[Sei-Helo-2myLiter-Fren]

..... What I'm wondering is how you knew to come to Calguns when you live out of state?

As to your question, consider posting in the "2nd Amendment and Legal" section of the forum.

I let my finger do the typing....Googled California gun forums, california private gun sales, and few others till I found what I though was the better one....

I'll do that in the appropriate section, thanks

[Baconator]

sorry this state doesn't allow for indentured servants or slave labor. Businesses who cant compete by paying people a fair wage can go to Texas and rip people off. Are you denying the fact that California is one of the largest world economies?

Actually this state does very well to not only allow, but also promote indentured servitude and/or slave labor. Drive by an agriculture sight and ask the workers how much money they make. People can't compete when they try to pay a "fair" wage versus people who don't. California is definitely one of the worlds largest economies. It also has the highest population of any state in the union, and that is just counting those here legally. You can't have this many people and not have a large economy. There is no "rip off" by moving to Texas, that is called Capitalism my friend. Why would any business want to stay in a state that has such strict regulations when there are other states who actively pursue business with offers of cheaper taxes and less restrictions.

[Eirerogue]

Don't think your comments were regrading 'world's largest economy'. You stated the economy is booming. That is not correct and anyone who's lived here more than a month has heard it over and over. CA businesses are abandoning the State at a record rate.

I will too in 3 years!

[Librarian]

pappabacon had the important parts already.

We do have a handgun Roster; it restricts sales from dealers to non-exempt people, but it does not apply to handguns moved here from out of state.

You must register handguns, but not long guns, when you move here.

CA does require a Handgun Safety Certificate to buy a handgun; it is not required for ownership.

You have already bumped into our 'assault weapon' law; the flowcharts linked at the top of the page are actually the briefest possible accurate description with enough detail to do anything.

You can certainly store any of those out of state; you can own them, but not import them to CA or transfer them to anyone in CA.

CA also requires substantially all firearms transfers to go through CA-licensed FFLs.

Welcome to Calguns.

[rod]

Hand guns are ok to bring with you as long as you don't bring any mags that hold more than 10 rounds. The handguns can't have threaded barrels, fwd grips, or accept magazines outside the pistol grip. Those are all considered assault weapons, and a big no-no in California. The safe handgun list is for new purchases inside the borders of California.

Shotguns must have a minimum barrel length of 18 inches and I forget the overall length they have to be. Top folders and side folders are usually ok on pump shotguns. Pistol grips are also ok on pump shotguns. I'm a little rusty on semi-auto shotguns and what can make them an assault weapon.

Rifles. There's a list of banned rifles (make and model) on the California DOJ website and somewhere on this website. It's an old list and there's lots of similar rifles available in California not on the list. The good news is that no one can add anything to the list...ever. That means most Colt and Armalite lower receivers are not allowed. Keep in mind that for AR pattern rifles, it's the lower receiver that is considered to be the firearm. You can still have Colt and Armalite upper receivers, barrels, and parts, as well as any other brand of parts. Some people with banned rifles can swap out the banned lower receiver with a California legal receiver and keep their rifle (with some other restrictions). Once you have a legal make and model AR ( or any other type of CENTER fire SEMI-AUTO rifle), you need to make a couple of decisions. Features or no features. By features, I mean folding/collapsable stock, flash hider, pistol grip, and a couple others I think. If you want those features, you'll need to lock your magazine using one of several innovative devices designed by fellow members here on Calguns. If you go the locked mag route, you are limited to ten round magazines. Period. If you don't mind giving up those evil features, you can leave your mag well unlocked and use any size mag you legally posess. Remember, you can not import magazines that hold more than 10 rounds, and the parts kits you see advertised are for magazines owned prior to the ban. Anyway, you have a few options when it comes to getting rid of the pistol grip. Several members here have invented alternate stocks or modifications that meet the legal requirement. Monsterman grip is popular and my favorite (if I lived in California) would be the stock made by Exile Machine. That thing looks cool. I might buy one anyway.

I no longer live in California, and the info I just typed is just what I remember. There's a lot more to know and understand, but this should give you an idea of what to research more.

California is a great state with lots of great people. Everyone knows about the politicians and the crazy things they do in California. If you want to know more, there's other threads you can read on that subject. I don't know what part of California you're moving to, but chances are you'll find some fantastic resteraunts in your area. Entertainment is endless...from Broadway plays to midnight midget mud wrestling and everything in between. There's something for everyone within a short drive. You'll find all the things you left behind in Free America available in some form or another in California...just some restrictions and limits on some things, such as firearms. The good part is that there is a lot to California and the oportunity to try new things is always there. Who knows, you may just like midnight midget mud wrestling once you try it.