Legality Issue: Selling a Rifle to another private party

[protoolsnerd]

Hi Calgunners,
I"m looking for a little advice. I have a ruger 10/22 that i'm looking to sell and I have a potential buyer for it. Since long guns aren't registered in california , i'm not legally obligated to go to an FFL to sell this gun.

How can we know if the person looking to purchase is legally able to do so....ie. convicted felons etc

And what liability do we have once the gun is sold .

thanks

Aaron S

[hunteran]

Hi Calgunners,
Since long guns aren't registered in california , i'm not legally obligated to go to an FFL to sell this gun.

Umm, yes you are...

[shadowofnight]

Hi Calgunners,
I"m looking for a little advice. I have a ruger 10/22 that i'm looking to sell and I have a potential buyer for it. Since long guns aren't registered in california , i'm not legally obligated to go to an FFL to sell this gun.

How can we know if the person looking to purchase is legally able to do so....ie. convicted felons etc

And what liability do we have once the gun is sold .

thanks

Aaron S

Think again, transfer at FFL...period.

[Ed_Hazard]

Well as you plan to do an illegal transfer, all kinds of liability issues come up.

The only time Long guns are exempt from FFL transfer is if they qualify for C&R status/50+ yrs old.

(Forgot to add that Intra-familial transfers area also exempt)

Just because, as you say, the state dont track rifles that does not mean that what you are planning to do is not an illegal transfer.

Save yourself the potential felony and do a lawfull PPT.

[Kestryll]

I have a ruger 10/22 that i'm looking to sell and I have a potential buyer for it. Since long guns aren't registered in california , i'm not legally obligated to go to an FFL to sell this gun.

Well as you plan to do an illegal transfer, all kinds of liability issues come up.

The only time Long guns are exempt from FFL transfer is if they qualify for C&R status/50+ yrs old.

(Forgot to add that Intra-familial transfers area also exempt)

Just because, as you say, the state dont track rifles that does not mean that what you are planning to do is not an illegal transfer.

Save yourself the potential felony and do a lawfull PPT.

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[Librarian]

Well as you plan to do an illegal transfer, all kinds of liability issues come up.

The only time Long guns are exempt from FFL transfer is if they qualify for C&R status/50+ yrs old.

(Forgot to add that Intra-familial transfers area also exempt)

Just because, as you say, the state dont track rifles that does not mean that what you are planning to do is not an illegal transfer.

Save yourself the potential felony and do a lawfull PPT.

It's a mere misdemeanor - does a year in County sound like fun?

OP, please see the Wiki - http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/in..._in_California

[protoolsnerd]

Hehe, thanks everyone . That's why i posted before doing anything . After having called one of my local ffl's they made it seem like it wasn't absolutely necessary. But it was what i was thinking all along.

thanks

TO THE FFL!!

[paul0660]

IF the 10/22 is more than 50 years old, and I have no idea when they started making them, you could do the sale without an FFL. Otherwise, see above.

I, and many others, would like to know more about the conversation you had with the FFL who said it was ok, and the name of the FFL, if possible.

[Korl]

Ruger 10/22 first built in 1964

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[protoolsnerd]

Wow had no idea that's when the ruger started making that model. I'm not going to name names, but i think the ffl i talked to was pretty much saying , no they're not registered but if you want it done on the up and up do it here .

I'm a complete newbie in terms of private sales so this was all education to me. I don't believe the gun shop was advocating it .

It's all been worked out either way and we're meeting at an ffl of his choice. Done and done .

[mosinnagantm9130]

Wow had no idea that's when the ruger started making that model. I'm not going to name names, but i think the ffl i talked to was pretty much saying , no they're not registered but if you want it done on the up and up do it here .

That's pretty much correct. Long guns aren't registered, but staying legal using a PPT is the smart thing to do.

[paul0660]

To be clear, they are not registered, but in most cases there is a paper trail. It is easy to trace a new gun from the wholesaler to a California based FFL, and from there, pending examination of the FFL's records, to the buyer. It gets murkier after that, but not registered doesn't mean they cannot figure out the last person who "owned" it.