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  • OHOD
    I need a LIFE!!
    CGN Contributor
    • Jan 2009
    • 11047

    How much would it cost to train 10 people...

    I'm working on a project that includes training 10 people to shoot a rifle or pistol.
    Mods, please move this post as necessary.
    Or delete if inappropriate. Thanks ahead of time.

    The point of the training is to allow adult students to experience what it is like to shoot a firearm. This experience is part of a larger program, that I do not wish to discuss in detail.

    In short....

    An instructor would teach the students safety and how to shoot the firearm. The students will then fire the weapon.
    And that's it.
    The student is not going to buy a firearm, not an enthusiast and etc..
    The experience is about shooting the firearm only.
    The experience can be at an indoor range or facility.
    All equipment provided by the instructor or facility.
    Following the experience, additional training is provided by me off site and is not related to firearms or guns. (sorry for the secrecy, but you know how starting a business can be )

    I would like to hear from instructors on what the cost would be, safety concerns, necessary liability and etc...
    I don't need a quote, just a ball park to realize feasibility.
    If the experience is too complex, then I will drop this part of the project all together.

    Alternatively, send me a PM if you want, post here or macht nichts....

    Thanks ahead of time!
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    Rob454
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    • Feb 2006
    • 11254

    I would think about 3-4 hours would do it. you will probably start with class time on gun handling and safety and how the different types of actions single shot revolver semi auto loading unloading and main portions of a gun.
    I took my wife to one of those introductory gun safety and shooting classes. best thing i ever did. Cost was like 90$ and it lasted 3.5 hrs. I would say a 25-30$ a hour cost is reasonable. get a bunch of .22 calibers especially for new shooters you don't want to start them on 44 magnums.

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    • #3
      ElvenSoul
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Apr 2008
      • 17431

      Check out Calguns Appleseed...talk to a instructor...probably the cheapest you will find
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      • #4
        OHOD
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        CGN Contributor
        • Jan 2009
        • 11047

        Originally posted by ElvenSoul
        Check out Calguns Appleseed...talk to a instructor...probably the cheapest you will find
        That's a good idea.
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        • #5
          OHOD
          I need a LIFE!!
          CGN Contributor
          • Jan 2009
          • 11047

          Originally posted by Rob454
          I would think about 3-4 hours would do it. you will probably start with class time on gun handling and safety and how the different types of actions single shot revolver semi auto loading unloading and main portions of a gun.
          I took my wife to one of those introductory gun safety and shooting classes. best thing i ever did. Cost was like 90$ and it lasted 3.5 hrs. I would say a 25-30$ a hour cost is reasonable. get a bunch of .22 calibers especially for new shooters you don't want to start them on 44 magnums.
          Excellent feedback. This is what I'm looking for.
          I wonder if the class could be shortened to 2 hours?
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          • #6
            blakdawg
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 1503

            Have you tried to track down local people who participate/teach in Appleseed? I think they do more than you're asking for, but they're probably in a good position to address your questions.
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            • #7
              SJgunguy24
              I need a LIFE!!
              • May 2008
              • 14849

              Originally posted by OHOD
              Excellent feedback. This is what I'm looking for.
              I wonder if the class could be shortened to 2 hours?
              That's cutting it pretty tight. I helped with a couple basic firearms classes and some people can take a couple of hours to get comfortable with a gun in the same room.
              I also found that grip and arm strength can be an issue for some people who are apprehensive with taking a shot. They tense up and get tired quickly.
              There are 3 kinds of people in this world.
              The wise, learn from the mistakes of others.
              The smart, learn from their own mistakes.
              The others, well......they just never learn.

              "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, Give Me Liberty, Or Give Me Death!"
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              • #8
                OHOD
                I need a LIFE!!
                CGN Contributor
                • Jan 2009
                • 11047

                Originally posted by SJgunguy24
                That's cutting it pretty tight. I helped with a couple basic firearms classes and some people can take a couple of hours to get comfortable with a gun in the same room.
                I also found that grip and arm strength can be an issue for some people who are apprehensive with taking a shot. They tense up and get tired quickly.
                I know I don't say much about what I am thinking of, but 2-3 hours is about it.
                The students need to fire only 2 rounds at a big berm.

                I know safety and gun knowledge is important and I want to incorporate that, but the take home point for my project is firing the gun. Firing a gun will cement certain teaching points and make the education unforgettable.

                Contacting folks in the area is ideal and I'll probably do that, but the quick and easy way is through the internet. I want to justify including this topic in some teaching before I put allot of time and effort into it.
                Also, this project encompasses all of California.
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                • #9
                  Rob454
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                  • Feb 2006
                  • 11254

                  Originally posted by OHOD
                  Excellent feedback. This is what I'm looking for.
                  I wonder if the class could be shortened to 2 hours?

                  I doubt it. if you are dealing with someone like my wife who shot a 22 rifle when she was a kid and knows absolutely nothing about guns its gonna take time. Don't forget that you are gonna have people that are excited, nervous, and somewhat intimidated. It's your job as the instructor to make them feel relaxed around guns and teach them to shoot and be comfortable. you are probably gonna have to watch and probably see some unsafe gun handling. You need to pull that person aside and have someone else continue with the class.

                  Rushing them through is probably a bad idea. If you do plan on taking bigger classes you may want some help. its gonna be hard to watch 9-10 people all at once. I guess if you can wrangle cats you can watch 9-10 people at once

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                  • #10
                    OHOD
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    CGN Contributor
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 11047

                    Originally posted by Rob454
                    I doubt it. if you are dealing with someone like my wife who shot a 22 rifle when she was a kid and knows absolutely nothing about guns its gonna take time. Don't forget that you are gonna have people that are excited, nervous, and somewhat intimidated. It's your job as the instructor to make them feel relaxed around guns and teach them to shoot and be comfortable. you are probably gonna have to watch and probably see some unsafe gun handling. You need to pull that person aside and have someone else continue with the class.

                    Rushing them through is probably a bad idea. If you do plan on taking bigger classes you may want some help. its gonna be hard to watch 9-10 people all at once. I guess if you can wrangle cats you can watch 9-10 people at once
                    This is really great insight.
                    And because of this reason I probably would not include it in my classes.
                    There is just too much risk involved for what I want to do, so I'll probably drop this section of the project.
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                    • #11
                      rg_1111@yahoo.com
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 5727

                      The classes I have taken talked about safety for 8 to 12 hours. That's before range time. Not trying to put a downer on your new business. Good luck.

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                      • #12
                        G-forceJunkie
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Jul 2010
                        • 6337

                        I would say 3-4 hrs min. However if your point is to just get a person to fire a .22 pistol twice, safely, without learing anything, it could be done a lot quicker. But whats the point? The big time eater in introductory classes is the basics: Pointing out all the different parts of pistols and revolvers, showing how they work, demonstrating the proper way to work them, teaching then demonstrating the safe handling techniques, etc. If you just want to safely have a newbie pull a trigger, how about clamping a .22 revolver in a Random Rest and let them pull the trigger?

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                        • #13
                          Grumpyoldretiredcop
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 6437

                          I've trained new shooters in groups. Sorry to say, your 2-3 hours isn't realistic unless all you want to do is teach someone the bare basics of how to handle a firearm without shooting themselves or someone else in the foot and send a couple of rounds in the general direction of the berm. In addition, 1 instructor will be close to, if not overwhelmed trying to deal with 10 absolute novices with live firearms. 5 to 1 is a more realistic student to instructor ratio under those circumstances, at minimum.

                          Sorry to be yet another bearer of bad news, hope the rest of the project works out.
                          I'm retired. That's right, retired. I don't want to hear about the cop who stopped you today or how you didn't think you should get a ticket. That just makes me grumpy!

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                          • #14
                            OHOD
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            CGN Contributor
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 11047

                            Originally posted by G-forceJunkie
                            I would say 3-4 hrs min. However if your point is to just get a person to fire a .22 pistol twice, safely, without learing anything, it could be done a lot quicker. But whats the point? The big time eater in introductory classes is the basics: Pointing out all the different parts of pistols and revolvers, showing how they work, demonstrating the proper way to work them, teaching then demonstrating the safe handling techniques, etc. If you just want to safely have a newbie pull a trigger, how about clamping a .22 revolver in a Random Rest and let them pull the trigger?
                            This is closer to what I was thinking of, but I'm beginning to think my idea is not be cost effective.

                            In fact, it's not cost effective.
                            The risks outweigh the benefits.

                            I'll have to consider another alternative.
                            Thanks for the insight folks!
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                            Long ago, it must be, I have a photograph
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                            • #15
                              eaglemike
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                              • Jan 2008
                              • 3936

                              The Friends of the NRA have a prgram called "Women on Target." It's similar to what you are describing, but takes about 4 hours. 1 hour spent safety briefing, 1 hour at each station with a little more briefing and shooting rifle shotgun, or handgun, then rotating to the next firearm type. This works very well.....

                              You might contact the NRA and see if they can help you?

                              For the above program we try to have 1 mentor at each discipline for each shooter. We run about 30 people each session. I say we because I help mentor a couple of times each year. There is enough demand this could be done each month, but facility availability and volunteer over-use would like become an issue.
                              There are some people that it's just not worth engaging.

                              It's a muzzle BRAKE, not a muzzle break. Or is your muzzle tired?

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