CA Gunshow Loophole...clarification needed

[RK808]

Getting into verbal fights with professors is never a good thing. My grade depends on how much he likes or dislikes me. It has been my belief that no matter how much I hate an instructor, I show him/her the upmost respect. I am there to gain knowledge from them, and even if there are elements I disagree with, I will refrain from getting into confrontations with them, especially in front of the entire class. It is not wise.

The phrase "praise in public, criticize in private" comes to mind. I couldn't agree with you more. I've had a certain professor twice for writing classes at UCI and he's the most liberal person I've ever met. Doesn't eat meat, doesn't have a TV (because it's the worst thing ever *rolls eyes*), and HATES the NRA and anything gun related. We got into a verbal argument in class and I ended up defending my point pretty damn well and he just said, "I'd love to talk about this more, but we have to move on." From the looks of my peers, it was obvious that I'd presented the better case Anyways, we continued to talk via email or in person and even though we're complete opposites, I ended up with an A in both those classes haha. Goes to show what a mature and constructive debate can lead to. Looks like you're on the right track!

[Merc1138]

Just simply ask the professor to define the "CA gunshow loophole" and when he spouts off some random BS refer to Librarian's post. If he's willing to make such a claim that a "loophole" exists, I would think it's his duty as a professor to explain it to a curious student(who knows better than he does).

[coyotebait]

My professor believes that anyone, including felons, can go into a gunshow and walk out with a handgun or rifle. I know that this is not the case, but am not fully aware of the true possibilities of the gunshow loophole.

Please educate me.

I would like to be informed about the subject so that I could give my professor the actual facts so that he can stop scaring all his students with anti-gun rhetoric. He believes in the Constitution and in the right for citizens to bare arms, but he feels that it is too "easy" to get weapons.

Do you think he CAN be educated? I doubt that he is, most professors don't particularly care for being "educated" by their students. They have a bit of arrogance. It may be far more wise of you to just give him the answers he's looking for and move on. You can always educate your fellow students after class. I dealt with a similar situation myself. Not about guns but about global warming, with my professor at Penn State. He and a couple students spouted off about it, I bit my tongue and moved on. Now I'm done and will never have to see any of them again. Basically, just make sure it's worth sacrificing your grade over because, THEY DO HOLD GRUDGES!!

[jdberger]

Librarian's post is all you need. Really. However - if he needs more, feel free to refer him to the California Bureau of Firearms - or better - print this out (along with Librarian's post) and hand it to him.

14. I want to sell a gun to another person, i.e., a private party transfer. Am I required to conduct the transaction through a licensed California firearms dealer?

Yes. Firearm sales must be conducted through a fully licensed California firearms dealer. Failure to do so is a violation of California law. The buyer (and seller, in the event that the; buyer is denied), must meet the normal firearm purchase and delivery requirements. "Antique firearms," as defined in Section 921(a)(16) of Title 18 of the United States Code, and curio or relic rifles/shotguns, defined in Section 178.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations that are over 50 years old, are exempt from this requirement.

Firearms dealers are required to process private party transfers upon request. Firearms dealers may charge a fee not to exceed $10 per firearm for conducting a private party transfer. Example:

a.For a private party transfer involving one or more handguns, the total allowable fees, including the DROS, safety, and dealer transfer fees, are not to exceed $35.00 for the first handgun and $31.00 for each additional handgun involved in the same transaction.

b.For private party transfers involving one or more long guns, or a private party transfer involving one handgun, the total allowable fees, including the DROS, safety, and dealer transfer fees, are not to exceed $35.00. The dealer may charge an additional dealer-service fee of$10.00 per each additional firearm transferred.
(PC section 12072(d))

Some people simply don't know better. They don't have more than a passing interest in a subject and thus accept what people they trust tell them at face value. It never occurs to them that they people they trust don't have a clue, either.