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  • Ergo the Qualmed
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2010
    • 1020

    I guess he didn't like my argument?

    Here is a brief conversation I had on an anonymous chat website. I am "melon" and the other guy is "pumpkin." I thought I argued my side nicely, and he blocked me. What do you think?

    Pumpkin_50@Ucdavis: you are a gun owner?
    from a logical point of view, why do you feel the need to own a gun in order to protect yourself? do you feel unsfe?
    i mean, you can't carry a concealed weapon without a special licence, and even then it's a hasstle

    Melon_160@Ucdavis: It is a hassle in CA
    See, here is the issue
    I am not so paranoid to think everyone is out to get me
    but, I am not so naive as to think that I am always safe and that nothing will happen to me
    I would prefer to own a defensive firearm and never use it in that capacity, than be a victim of violent crime that could have potentially been prevented had I been armed.

    Pumpkin_50@Ucdavis: no but it's odds
    even if you use the weapon bro, you'l go though hell trying to justify self defense etc

    Melon_160@Ucdavis: In CA yes
    So should I die?

    Pumpkin_50@Ucdavis: you won't die

    Melon_160@Ucdavis: What do you mean?

    Pumpkin_50@Ucdavis: you know how hard it is to kill someone
    imagine trying to kill someone with ap istol

    Melon_160@Ucdavis: yeah?
    inside a house?

    Pumpkin_50@Ucdavis: how shakey your hands would be. how your knees would knock. you're about to take someone's life
    think about all the hesitation and thought that would overpower you

    Melon_160@Ucdavis: The idea is that it is him or me
    I will not draw a firearm unless I am prepared to use it
    I am not intent on taking a life, I am trying to stop a threat intent on causing myself or a loved one physical harm
    If a life is taken in the process, then that is unfortunate, but it was obviously necessary to stop the threat.

    Pumpkin_50@Ucdavis: black and white aren't we

    Melon_160@Ucdavis: It's the truth
    What, you think that gun ownership is an ego inflator? no, it isn't. It is a weighty responsibility.

    ****This conversation has been blocked upon request. If you get blocked one more time, you will be out of the system.****
    I thought my answers/logic were pretty good; any critiques?
    This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.
  • #2
    Scratch705
    I need a LIFE!!
    • May 2009
    • 12537

    the person is a sore loser and was just pulling the whiny child bit and storming off when their "facts" are countered with logical responses.
    Originally posted by leelaw
    Because -ohmigosh- they can add their opinions, too?
    Originally posted by SoCalSig1911
    Preppers canceled my order this afternoon because I called them a disgrace... Not ordering from those clowns again.
    Originally posted by PrepperGunShop
    Truthfully, we cancelled your order because of your lack of civility and your threats ... What is a problem is when you threaten my customer service team and make demands instead of being civil. Plain and simple just don't be an a**hole (where you told us to shove it).

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    • #3
      hellraiser
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2009
      • 2347

      "I am not so paranoid to think everyone is out to get me
      but, I am not so naive as to think that I am always safe and that nothing will happen to me."


      Nice! I will probably use that in arguments from now on.
      I'm the best there is at what I do. But what I do best isn't very nice. --James "Logan" Howlett

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      • #4
        G lock
        Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 469

        where did this chat take place? smartsite ? lol, looks like you said the right things

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        • #5
          Divernhunter
          Calguns Addict
          • May 2010
          • 8753

          So he thinks you(anyone) would get all shakey etc. Well he never meet me. I only got alittle shakey after it was all over. I did not have to kill them but I would have if they had made me do more than one shot. This was not in my home but on my property and once on the road.

          Better to have it and not need to kill than not have it and end up dead.
          A 30cal will reach out and touch them. A 50cal will kick their butt.
          NRA Life Member, NRA certified RSO & Basic Pistol Instructor, Hunter, shooter, reloader
          SCI, Manteca Sportsmen Club, Coalinga Rifle Club, Escalon Sportsmans Club, Waterford Sportsman Club & NAHA Member, Madison Society member

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          • #6
            Ron-Solo
            In Memoriam
            • Jan 2009
            • 8581

            You definitely won the battle of wits and were very eloquent about it.

            Sadly, the other party was unarmed in both the wits and firearm departments.

            Well done.
            LASD Retired
            1978-2011

            NRA Life Member
            CRPA Life Member
            NRA Rifle Instructor
            NRA Shotgun Instructor
            NRA Range Safety Officer
            DOJ Certified Instructor

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            • #7
              tonelar
              Dinosaur
              • Mar 2008
              • 6081

              Pumpkin sounds like your typical academic... thought it'd be able to flex some of it's brain power and type you into a corner.

              So what if you won't die?! That's not for anyone to decide but you and your would be assailant. Good going, Melon!

              Did pumpkin enact the block before or after receiving your last line about the weighty responsibility of gun ownership?
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              • #8
                Scratch705
                I need a LIFE!!
                • May 2009
                • 12537

                IMO, in the heat of the moment, no one knows what they will go through. all i know is that if any intruder enters my house, a gun will be pointed at them. after that i have no idea.

                this isn't like in the movie where there are those long dramatic pauses to heighten tense/suspense. it is split second decision making with your own life on the line.
                Originally posted by leelaw
                Because -ohmigosh- they can add their opinions, too?
                Originally posted by SoCalSig1911
                Preppers canceled my order this afternoon because I called them a disgrace... Not ordering from those clowns again.
                Originally posted by PrepperGunShop
                Truthfully, we cancelled your order because of your lack of civility and your threats ... What is a problem is when you threaten my customer service team and make demands instead of being civil. Plain and simple just don't be an a**hole (where you told us to shove it).

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                • #9
                  lugar
                  Member
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 444

                  How about directing him to some scientific evidence that shows more guns = less violence and cite John Lott. If that isn't acceptable he's just a girly man afraid of guns because they are loud or something and has left the land of logical.

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                  • #10
                    tonelar
                    Dinosaur
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 6081

                    Oh, is pumpkin a man? I'm confused by your guys' choices of names.
                    sigpic

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                    • #11
                      paradox
                      Veteran Member
                      • Jan 2006
                      • 3588

                      We need to start a ucd calguns chapter! Or at least meet up at the grad sometime.
                      * Freedom is the human right to live your life however you damn well please, so long as you don't interfere with another's right to do the same.
                      * "Don't believe them, don't fear them, don't ask anything of them." --Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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                      • #12
                        cannon
                        In Memoriam
                        • Aug 2008
                        • 8589

                        What king of website do you belong to where everyone is a fruit or gourd?
                        ^^ Said by some lunatic on the internet

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                        • #13
                          Hopalong
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2010
                          • 2436

                          Originally posted by cannon
                          What king of website do you belong to where everyone is a fruit or gourd?
                          No kidding.

                          And what kind of website bans you from having an intelligent debate and getting "blocked" twice?

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                          • #14
                            Dion
                            Senior Member
                            • Feb 2011
                            • 818

                            These anti's... who do they call if somebody has the intent to harm them? The police. Why? Because police have weapons.
                            www.dionridesbikes.com

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                            • #15
                              joeyant
                              Banned
                              • Sep 2010
                              • 221

                              "pumpkin" arguing over the internet with someone named "melon".

                              Geez, what's next...."peaches" arguing with "buttercups"?

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