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  • River Jack
    Senior Member
    • May 2007
    • 1251

    What would you do? What options do I have?

    In short, I completed a FTF with a gentleman for a mint revolver with a high-polish nickel finish. We met a FFL which I had never done business with, but was one the seller recommended and liked. When we met, I inspected the gun thoroughly and at least 3 employees at the store did too. We passed it around, talking about it, polishing it and admiring it for about an hour. One employee joked that he was going to take it out and shoot it during the 10-day wait, which I simply laughed off. All that saw it remarked how incredibly clean and nice it was. I was the last to see it after polishing out the fingerprints and boxing her up for the 10-day wait.

    OK, fast forward to pick-up. The three employees that saw the gun during the transfer were all gone, and I was told my the owner that the one that did my paperwork no longer works there. From what I've heard, he was a long-time employee. He even told me on the day we did the transfer how much he liked working there. Well, the owner handed me the box and started completing the paperwork. I opened the box and immediately (within one second) noticed that the nickel finish was different than when I left it. There as an area on the crane (where it meets the underside of the barrel when rotated into place) where the finish was now flaking off. I immediately inspected inside the foam-padded box for remnants of the flaked-off finish and there was none to be found. I also immediately reported it to the owner. He inspected it and said that it was a "defect" in what he kept referring to as "chrome plating". I told him that it was mint (no defect) when I left it their care and now it was no longer in that same condition. I told him that I was concerned that it may have been mishandled during the 10-day wait and mentioned to him about the employee stating that he was going to shoot it. He said that he wasn't there when I did the FTF, which is true, so he couldn't confirm what condition is was in. I told him of all the employess oooing and aaawing over it and asked him if the employee that did the paperwork was there. That's when he informed me that he was no longer employed there. The owner said he would ask the other employees if anyone had taken it out during the 10-day wait, but said that it was not their policy to do so, of course. I have been told by a third party, however, that this does occur. At any rate, owner says it's not their fault and that the new condition is a defect despite there being no evidence of flaking inside the box.

    So, now I've got a no-so-mint anymore, revolver that I paid a mint price for. What options do I have? What would you do? Opinions please. Thanks.
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  • #2
    Diesel-Gunner
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2010
    • 1044

    I would start by contacting the seller to see if there are any pics from before the purchase as a base line. That would rule out you missing it on the prior inspection and would also get you some peace of mind.

    From there I would approach the head person at the transfer store to discuss the issues.
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    • #3
      stix213
      AKA: Joe Censored
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Apr 2009
      • 18998

      First thing I would do is not protect the name of the FFL. Second thing I would do is contact the seller of the firearm, and get them to describe the condition of the firearm in writing and sue the FFL in small claims for what it will cost to repair the firearm. But thats me

      edit: as the poster above me mentioned about the pics, thats a good idea

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      • #4
        River Jack
        Senior Member
        • May 2007
        • 1251

        Diesel-Gunner,

        I've already done exactly what you've recommended. Seller only had one pic of the gun, which happened to be the wrong side. I confirmed with him that the gun was in mint/perfect condition. He says he'll stand behind me all the way on that issue.

        I called the owner the next day after pick up, after having contacted the seller. He stands firm in that the problem is a "defect" and not damage caused by mishandling. I asked him that if I sent it back to the manufacturer for inspection and recoating (crane only, where damage is), if he'd be willing to "work something out" with me. I was thinking that I may have to re-DROS due to sending it out and that he might waive the fee or maybe pay for the recoating of that one part (I'd expect something around $100, although I really don't yet know). He basically told me to pound sand, that it was my problem, not his.
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        • #5
          RedFord150
          Calguns Addict
          • Oct 2009
          • 5665

          Small claims is a lot of work for $100.00. However, if you do file the lawsuit, you should subpoena his 'former' employees as witnesses.
          Sounds like the dealer is just trying the 'CYA Approach' to this dispute. He does not want to pay for his employees having fun.
          The '3rd party' who told you they shoot customer owned guns should also appear in court.
          Put the name of the shop on CG and also write a review on his shop on 'Yahoo Local' and any other merchant site you can find.
          Good luck.
          God Did Not Create All Men Equal, Colonel Colt Did.

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          • #6
            Ape
            Senior Member
            • Jun 2010
            • 859

            Wow! What a conundrum :-/
            I don't have any advice that others haven't already given you here.
            But I wil say that this should be a lesson for everyone in Cali that has to go through the same type of BS 10 day wait after inspecting and paying for a gun.

            After hearing your problems, and if I lived there and had to go through the same BS, I'd take pics of the gun after inspection and maybe even have the store employee completing the transaction sign something as to it's condition.

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            • #7
              rg_1111@yahoo.com
              Calguns Addict
              • Feb 2003
              • 5743

              Man that's not good. Out the shop.

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              • #8
                HK4113
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2008
                • 1296

                What dealer shoots customer guns during the 10 day wait? Out the dealer so that I know where NOT to do a PPT.

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                • #9
                  Divernhunter
                  Calguns Addict
                  • May 2010
                  • 8753

                  Also you can send the pistol to the manufacture and they send it direct back to you with going thru a FFL or the DROS.
                  A 30cal will reach out and touch them. A 50cal will kick their butt.
                  NRA Life Member, NRA certified RSO & Basic Pistol Instructor, Hunter, shooter, reloader
                  SCI, Manteca Sportsmen Club, Coalinga Rifle Club, Escalon Sportsmans Club, Waterford Sportsman Club & NAHA Member, Madison Society member

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                  • #10
                    Ed_Hazard
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 5146

                    This is why I dont like to do PPT's at Range shops. Buyer beware and out the shop.
                    Originally Posted by Sic Boy
                    And I bet Jobs surfs porn. If he doesn't, I'll eat a live baby on stage at the next Apple event.
                    Originally posted by AJAX22
                    Don't F with those guys... they can probably use their teabag to inflict blunt force trauma.


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                    • #11
                      River Jack
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2007
                      • 1251

                      Originally posted by RedFord150
                      Small claims is a lot of work for $100.00. However, if you do file the lawsuit, you should subpoena his 'former' employees as witnesses.
                      Sounds like the dealer is just trying the 'CYA Approach' to this dispute. He does not want to pay for his employees having fun.
                      The '3rd party' who told you they shoot customer owned guns should also appear in court.
                      Put the name of the shop on CG and also write a review on his shop on 'Yahoo Local' and any other merchant site you can find.
                      Good luck.
                      Although the employee did make a joke about shooting the gun during the 10-day wait, I didn't mean to imply that is what I think happened. All I suspect may have happened, and what the 3rd party can attest to is that they show other customers other people's guns that are being held for the 10-day wait. He said that the employees of that shop have taken other people's guns out to show him. I feel that is what may have occurred with my gun and in the process, maybe it was dropped or something. I don't really know. All I do know is that when I left it there, it was mint, an absolutely stunning piece that I decided to invest in and hoped would appreciate in value. When I picked up, it was different (nickel plating flaking off). Any opinions as to what could cause plating to flake off like that?
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                      • #12
                        Bakerloo
                        Senior Member
                        • Jun 2009
                        • 1711

                        Wow, this brings a question to mind...
                        After completing the DROS paperwork, can the buyer lock the gun in a pistol case while the FFL holds it for 10 days. The only person with a key should be the buyer. There is no need for the FFL to open the case, right?
                        ...while the buffoon in the White House prances around celebrating butt sex.

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                        • #13
                          River Jack
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2007
                          • 1251

                          Originally posted by Ape
                          Wow! What a conundrum :-/
                          I don't have any advice that others haven't already given you here.
                          But I wil say that this should be a lesson for everyone in Cali that has to go through the same type of BS 10 day wait after inspecting and paying for a gun.

                          After hearing your problems, and if I lived there and had to go through the same BS, I'd take pics of the gun after inspection and maybe even have the store employee completing the transaction sign something as to it's condition.
                          I agree. When doing FTF transactions, the buyers are totally vulnerable to whatever the store employees might do to their property. Apparently, buyers/owners are even allowed to lock the gun case, or if they do they have to leave a set of keys with the shop.

                          I like your suggestions regarding taking pics and having the person filling out the paperwork put in writing the condition of the gun. I'm going to start doing just that in the future.
                          URL="http://www.nra.org/"][/url]NRA Life Member

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                          • #14
                            River Jack
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2007
                            • 1251

                            Originally posted by Bakerloo
                            Wow, this brings a question to mind...
                            After completing the DROS paperwork, can the buyer lock the gun in a pistol case while the FFL holds it for 10 days. The only person with a key should be the buyer. There is no need for the FFL to open the case, right?
                            I've been told that if you lock the case, you need to leave a set of keys with the shop. I think they said that it was in case they got audited during the 10-day wiat and the DOJ or ATF needed to inspect inventory.
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                            • #15
                              Recession
                              Senior Member
                              • Jul 2010
                              • 1565

                              Originally posted by River Jack
                              Although the employee did make a joke about shooting the gun during the 10-day wait, I didn't mean to imply that is what I think happened. All I suspect may have happened, and what the 3rd party can attest to is that they show other customers other people's guns that are being held for the 10-day wait. He said that the employees of that shop have taken other people's guns out to show him. I feel that is what may have occurred with my gun and in the process, maybe it was dropped or something. I don't really know. All I do know is that when I left it there, it was mint, an absolutely stunning piece that I decided to invest in and hoped would appreciate in value. When I picked up, it was different (nickel plating flaking off). Any opinions as to what could cause plating to flake off like that?
                              Tell us the name of the shop already!

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