Flying ashtray

[RP1911]

Anyone else carry this load for personal defense?

If you have to ask, the load is: Speer 200gr JHP.

[Cokebottle]

Anyone else carry this load for personal defense?

If you have to ask, the load is: Speer 200gr JHP.

Never heard of it referred to like that, but all of my PD ammo are Speer Gold Dot.
124gr +P for 9mm, 125gr +P for .38spl, and 200gr +P for .45ACP.

[odysseus]

It's an old term for .45acp hollow point. Any make and model JHP really in .45.

OP - a lot of people pack the GoldDot 200gr +p round from Speer.

[bsg]

Anyone else carry this load for personal defense?

If you have to ask, the load is: Speer 200gr JHP.

the old "flying ashtray" did not have a good track record with my .45 ACP handgun of choice; older w german Sig P220 .45 ACP.

[Sky_DiveR]

the old "flying ashtray" did not have a good track record with my .45 ACP handgun of choice; older w german Sig P220 .45 ACP.

What do you mean by that? FTF's, FTE's, jams, stopping power?

The "Flying Ashtray" is an old design and (I think) no longer made. I think the Speer Gold Dot has replaced it. I think most of the newer technologies that have replaced the older technologies (ie: Silvertip's, Hydro-Shock's, SJHP's, etc) all are pretty effective across the board. My assumptions aren't based on any facts or studies, btw.

I currently have the Federal HST loaded for my 1911.

[bsg]

What do you mean by that? FTF's, FTE's, jams, stopping power?

the 200 gr "flying ashtray" had great stopping power... even when it didn't expand. it was called the flying ashtray because it was short and wide; it worked ok in the first magazine shot in a P220 but once the slide went into locked back position... the top round in reload magazine would sometimes catch on feed ramp at six o'clock.

apparently this has not been a problem for newer P220 with newer magazines... with the 200 gr +p CCI God Dot.


see Massad Ayoob's "The Gun Digest Book of SIG-SAUER" and see chapter on "Ammunition for the SIG-Sauer."

[Sky_DiveR]

Hmmm... didn't know that. I haven't had a 45ACP P220 so I didn't know.... That's why I asked. Thanks for the info... I'll have to look that up.

At least the Speer Gold Dots and Federal HST's feed fine in my 1911's now. I couldn't get the "Flying Ashcans" to feed in my first HardBaller... but then again it didn't have a throated chamber either. I did have it as the first round in the chamber for HD tho.

[bsg]

Hmmm... didn't know that. I haven't had a 45ACP P220 so I didn't know.... That's why I asked. Thanks for the info... I'll have to look that up.

At least the Speer Gold Dots and Federal HST's feed fine in my 1911's now. I couldn't get the "Flying Ashcans" to feed in my first HardBaller... but then again it didn't have a throated chamber either. I did have it as the first round in the chamber for HD tho.

yes... the round had a history of difficult feeding with the 1911.

[Cokebottle]

Interesting, and perhaps where the 1911 gets it's reputation for poor feeding with JHP.

My RIA feeds the Speer 200gr like a hot dog down a hallway!

[voiceofreason]

Winchester Ranger Talon 230 standard or +P
or
Federal HST 230 grain
or
Gold Dot 230 grain standard or +P

They would all be good choices in .45

The problem with buying older rounds that aren't made anymore is that you can't practice with them occasionally to ensure functioning in your newer guns as well as knowing exactly how they will "feel".

[xenophobe]

the old "flying ashtray" did not have a good track record with my .45 ACP handgun of choice; older w german Sig P220 .45 ACP.

I had an old P220 and all I ever shot were 200g and +P 185gr Speers.

I never had any issues.

[Sky_DiveR]

Interesting, and perhaps where the 1911 gets it's reputation for poor feeding with JHP.

My RIA feeds the Speer 200gr like a hot dog down a hallway!

I'd say that would be a pretty good assumption. Newer 1911's have throated barrels, polished feed ramps, improved magazines, and improved triggers. Basically just about everything the old craftsmen were doing to improve the 1911's way back when. Perhaps not so good with the firing pin safeties but hey, ya can't win 'em all.

[Tarn_Helm]

the shiznit

Anyone else carry this load for personal defense?

If you have to ask, the load is: Speer 200gr JHP.

FAT rounds also come in .44 Special.

This stuff is the shiznit:

Speer Gold Dot Handgun Ammunition 23980, 44 Special, Gold Dot Hollow Point, 200 GR, 920 fps, 20 Rd/bx

[sniper5]

I have also used the term "flying ashtray" used to describe a .38 or .357 loaded with a HBWC reversed so the hollow base is forward. Great expansion but unstable beyond a few feet (the wadcutter tries to turn around kind of like a badminton shuttlecock flying backwards).

[redcliff]

The original use of the term that I'm aware of was for the 200gr Speer JHP .45acp round.

Heres a brief article lamenting it's demise: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...6/ai_64259193/