not an 'emergency,' White House says

[Jack L]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41495274/ns/us_news-security/

[CSACANNONEER]

Why should crimes in another country be considered a national emergency here. I have to give the whitehouse a big thumbs up for this one!

[robcoe]

I have to agree, violence in Mexico is not an emergency in the US.

[Jack L]

I read the ATF was insulted that Obama blew them off. There may be things going on behind the scenes. Plus Obama does not want to mess up his 2012 election chances.

[Jack L]

If the ATF keeps repeating lies often enough, the sheeple will believe what they say.

[coyotebait]

The only problem I see is that our border sucks. Violence down south will make it up here. I do agree though, violence there doesn't justify 2 rifle registration/tracking or whatever cleaver name they're calling it these day.

[Deadbolt]

the problem i see is that anyone that buys several guns at a time is being considered a criminal.

[Jack L]

The ATF needed to be slapped before they got too big for their britches. Obama won this one.

[Interloper]

Still scratching my head over these comments:

Why should crimes in another country be considered a national emergency here. I have to give the whitehouse a big thumbs up for this one!

I have to agree, violence in Mexico is not an emergency in the US.

So you guys don't think any of that criminal activity crosses the border?

[CSACANNONEER]

Still scratching my head over these comments:




So you guys don't think any of that criminal activity crosses the border?

When it comes over the boarder, it is our problem and should be delt with without any other country telling us what to do. I'm all for using leathal force to prevent anything or anyone from illegally crossing our boarders. Instead of Mexico pointing it's finger at us, they need to police their own country. Why don't they just build a giant fence along the boarder and shoot anyone trying to go through, over or under it? I bet that would stop their problem with all the guns coming in from the US. Of course, we all know that US guns only account for 4 or 5% of the guns they confinscate. Most of the cartel's weapons come from central american countries and are a lot cheaper than the ones from the US.

[PatriotnMore]

Why should crimes in another country be considered a national emergency here. I have to give the whitehouse a big thumbs up for this one!

[robcoe]

So you guys don't think any of that criminal activity crosses the border?

Probably, but not anywhere near enough to be considered a national emergency.

We also probably have violence coming into the US from China's version of the mob, doesn't mean I think we need an emergency declared on the west coast.

[Interloper]

When it comes over the boarder, it is our problem and should be delt with without any other country telling us what to do. I'm all for using leathal force to prevent anything or anyone from illegally crossing our boarders. Instead of Mexico pointing it's finger at us, they need to police their own country. Why don't they just build a giant fence along the boarder and shoot anyone trying to go through, over or under it? I bet that would stop their problem with all the guns coming in from the US. Of course, we all know that US guns only account for 4 or 5% of the guns they confinscate. Most of the cartel's weapons come from central american countries and are a lot cheaper than the ones from the US.

Probably, but not anywhere near enough to be considered a national emergency.

We also probably have violence coming into the US from China's version of the mob, doesn't mean I think we need an emergency declared on the west coast.

I don't think either of you gentlemen fully appreciate what is actually going on in Mexico right now.
This is a country of 111 million people teetering on the brink of collapse. If Mexico falls it will make Somalia look like a picnic....and they are our neighbors. Do you ever read the papers or watch the news? Mexico's gangs are operating in all 50 US states. They have brought with them drugs, violence, and corruption. The biggest foreign and domestic policy disaster in US history is our refusal to acknowledge that the crisis in Mexico does constitute a National emergency in the United States.
Look, I'm happy Obama shut the ATF down on this one. But you guys don't seem to understand why. Obama shut this program down to avoid drawing attention to just how bad things have gotten....not because he respects our RKBA.

[odysseus]

Look, it's politics.

I am sure Obama doesn't have problems with the provisions the ATF wants (it matches a lot of his positions on gun control), but they would need to do this as an "Emergency" order. However this is not what he and the Democratic Party want, as it then validates the issues about Mexico, the border, and illegal aliens. It also validates and would empower those pushing what Arizona has been doing. The Democratic Party really uses racial demographics to rally their voting base, and basically I think it came down to Obama and his advisers saying: We don't want to go down the "Emergency" act road at a Federal level, where that ball can be grabbed by others and run in a direction they politically don't want.

[CSACANNONEER]

I don't think either of you gentlemen fully appreciate what is actually going on in Mexico right now.
This is a country of 111 million people teetering on the brink of collapse. If Mexico falls it will make Somalia look like a picnic....and they are our neighbors. Do you ever read the papers or watch the news? Mexico's gangs are operating in all 50 US states. They have brought with them drugs, violence, and corruption. The biggest foreign and domestic policy disaster in US history is our refusal to acknowledge that the crisis in Mexico does constitute a National emergency in the United States.
Look, I'm happy Obama shut the ATF down on this one. But you guys don't seem to understand why. Obama shut this program down to avoid drawing attention to just how bad things have gotten....not because he respects our RKBA.

Ok, since you have stated that we have a problem with gangs inside our borders, I don't see an issue with us taking care of the problems that are here. As far as catering to Mexico, Canada or any other country, I say, tough scat! Why should we delare their problems to be our emergency? Why doesn't Mexico take a little responsibility for their own problems? Once their problems cross the border, why can't we just take care of them our way and not worry about what happens on the other side of the border? Why can't we do what other countries do and just use leathal force on anyone crossing the boarder illegally? That would stop a lot of our problems. Or, at least let the BP do their job to the best of their abilities and stop coddling those who illegally infringe upon our borders. Maybe the US could use Sheriff Joe's example of cheap prision housing and care and keep all illegals in detainment camps with zero contact to the outside world except for their attorney (who they have to pay for)? This would stop those who think our state and federal prisions are an easy ride and stop states like Ca from paying for housing these criminals.

Obviously, I'm not looking at this as a 2A issue but rather an issue of illegal immigration. I consider the illegal immigration into this country a national emergency. I do not consider the legal purchase of firearms in the US to be a matter that any country can consider an emergency. Let alone one that they can force the US to treat as an emergency.