Online Gun purchase - No shipping to california

[loklok1]

I'm just curious to understand why some online dealers refuse to ship to california even if the gun is on the california handgun roster or the gun is cali legal. Does anyone know why that is? I've asked these sellers before but their response never answered my question. Most of them will just repeat what they post on the ad as No shipping to California, No Exception. I mean this type of response doesn't really answer my question.

[Baconator]

Their choice. Some claim they have to jump through some hoops to ship here, others don't care to deal with the roster (by deal with, I mean look at the roster to see if they are in the clear).

[dieselpower]

because our DOJ requires out of state FFLs to register and get a permission slip before shipping. Many believe thats against the BoR and refuse.

[MP301]

Easy Question.

The main reason I think is because...In order to ship guns to CA, the sellers have to "Register" with DOJ and get put on the list.

A lot of people take exception to having to put up with CA's BS when they dont live here. So many dont want to give CA all of their info and jump through DOJ's hoops....so they dont.

Now as much as it pisses me off, no one can fualt them for this. If we could, we would all tell CA to go **** itself too. Thats what they are saying by not shipping to CA. Can you blame them? Us gunnies are colateral damage I guess...

The flip side is that there are many sellers that would rather make money from us in CA more then tell DOJ to go eat ****.

[CaliforniaLiberal]

Some FFLs feel that the California Bureau of Firearms is more bureaucracy than they are willing to deal with.

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/cflcoverview.php

About CFLC

"As of July 1, 2008, California Penal Code Section 12072(f)(1) [PDF 30 kb / 1 pg] prohibits all Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs), other than Type 03 or 06 FFLs, from shipping firearms to an FFL in California unless, prior to delivery, the FFL intending to deliver, sell or transfer the firearms obtains a verification approval number from the California Department of Justice (CADOJ) Bureau of Firearms. This includes transfers that occur at gun shows."

"...To obtain a Firearms Shipment Approval letter 24 hours a day from the CFLC Internet application, Logon to CFLC. You will need the CFLC Logon ID and Password you received during the Internet or mail/fax enrollment process. You will also need the five digit Centralized List (CL) number of the CA FFL to whom you intend to ship firearms.

You can also request a Firearms Shipment Approval letter by calling the telephone number listed on your enrollment verification letter or faxing/mailing a CFLC Firearms Shipment Approval Letter Request Form to the Bureau of Firearms. However, you must have enrolled in CFLC prior to submitting a Firearms Shipment Approval Letter Request Form."

[orangeusa]

Check out 80% of GunBroker listings - "I won't sell to Kommiefornia" "If you want me to sell to you - change your laws"....

I've called and emailed a few of them, and most crumble when confronted (nicely). One guy was surprised that I (and many CG folks) had donate $ and time to try to fight some of these laws. Another guy said he just didn't understand the laws. I worked with him and actually bought a gun from him.

The others live in free states, and think we have not done our job to keep our 2A rights... Some is truly ignorance, some are just uncomfortable selling when they don't know CA laws...

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[Milsurp Collector]

And some do it because they see so many other sellers doing it. They don't really know why, but they see others doing it and assume there must be a good reason.

I asked one gentleman a long while back why he doesn't sell to CA... and his response was "because I've read it on other auction listings"

I think that is more common than we realize. It is monkey see, monkey do. It is the same thing with people who blank out digits of serial numbers when they post pictures of their guns. Some people who do that understand the reason, far-fetched as it is (someone falsely reporting the gun with that serial number is stolen, although making a false police report is a crime and the people who are afraid of their gun falsely being reported stolen after posting it on the Internet probably can't show even one documented case of it actually happening), but a lot of people blank out serial number digits only because they see other people doing it, without really knowing why. Paranoia is contagious.

Same thing goes for "no sales to California", even for C&R firearms that are perfectly legal in California. They see other sellers doing it, figure there must be a reason, so they do it too. Others see them doing it so they jump on the bandwagon too, and so on and so on. The fear and paranoia are contagious and a snowball effect develops.

One time when I went to my Oregon FFL dealer to pick up a rifle I bought from a Calgunner, he said "you didn't tell me you bought this from a guy in California. I heard that if everything isn't done right I could get in a lot of trouble". I explained that while California has extra laws regarding sales to California, there isn't any problem buying guns from California, because the California politicians don't want any barriers to shipping guns out of California, that makes them happy. So California has such a reputation in the rest of the country for complicated gun laws that my FFL dealer was nervous about receiving a gun from California, much less shipping to California.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=385572

There is a Gunbroker seller who will act as a middleman to help you buy California-legal guns from sellers unwilling to ship to California.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/SellerAuctions.aspx?User=158055

[prob]

And some do it because they're stupid malicious imbeciles who think they're making some sort of stand against the poor addled gun owners in California who can't possibly be working hard enough to change the moronic gun laws foisted upon them by their elected officials. I wonder how many realize they've been manipulated into doing exactly what the anti-gun cabal wants them to do. Probably not too many - they're too dense to figure it out.

[loklok1]

thanks for your replies everyone, this makes it much clear now.

[Jeff L]

Part bias, part laziness. Their loss. My 2 cents.

-Jeff L

[Hopalong]

I got a kick out of that good Samaritan who says, "you buy the gun and have it shipped to me".

My hat's off to him if it's true

Not something I'm trusting enough to do though