The .357sig and why it didn't make it.

[WWDHD?]

Which has more chamber pressure .357sig or .40? Isin't that what usually wears out a firearm more than anything or dictates the size/strength of the frame on a firearm?
What if you had two otherwise identical handguns, say a pair of Sig229's (one in 357sig and the other in .40 or 9mm even) and you shot them the same number of time which one would wear out first? Not trying to put down 357sig, just curious.

[misterjake]

Nothing to jump up and down over...let alone pay more for. What performance do you get for the extra $$$?





Don't get me wrong we all have calibers we like, it fits us and to argue with someone else on why it does not fit them too is silly...

To each his own.

[locosway]

Nothing to jump up and down over...let alone pay more for. What performance do you get for the extra $$$?

I believe when barriers come into the picture the .357sig as well as the 10mm out perform most other auto-loading rounds.

[Turbinator]

Why would I not pick the .357SIG?

I love the round, but maybe I'm just crazy cause I LOVE the my 10mm even more.

I believe when barriers come into the picture the .357sig as well as the 10mm out perform most other auto-loading rounds.

As these guys say - 10mm.

Turby

[Napalm Bulldog]

Nothing to jump up and down over...let alone pay more for. What performance do you get for the extra $$$?





Don't get me wrong we all have calibers we like, it fits us and to argue with someone else on why it does not fit them too is silly...

To each his own.

I dont know if your looking at the chart correctly above? I see the 9mm 147 went a little further but look at the .357 sig's wound channel. IT'S FRIGGIN HUGE! The .45 ACP is even slightly smaller. Above talked about energy transfer. As you can see above the .357 sig did its job. I would also like to mention earlier talks about the .357 sigs barrier penetration should mention that when using FMJ rounds not hollow points. Above is a hollow point chart and what counts is the wound channel/ cavity the round produces. JMO When buying todays .357 sig ammo I have heard talk and read that its nuetered down and not loaded to full spec. Like the 10mm factory ammo is. Try some double tap or Buffalo Bore .

Proud owner of a G32 but also have a G19,20,21,22,23 so I'm not just a sig head.

[stitchnicklas]

i have a sig 2340 it came in 357sig ,love it. bought a 40sw barrel for cheaper shooting but at the end of the day it has the 357sig barrel in it.

and some 357sig rounds are clocked at 1600FPS so thats about 600 fps then a 9mm...

takes me less 30secs to change a barrel...

[IrishPirate]

once the cost goes down, the popularity will go up. everyone with .40sw guns would probably jump at the chance to shoot cheaper ammo with similar recoil. If you could get the exact same range performance for cheaper wouldn't you want it? .22lr convesions are nice but not similar enough to really practice defensive shooting past the basic mechanics. I was talking with a guy at a gun shop about .357sig and he told me his buddy was in the middle of some mass panic (natural disaster, possible riot, i can't remember exactly what) and when he went from store to store to try and buy ammo for his guns, the only thing of the shelf was .357sig. lucky for him, he had a .357sig barrel for his .40sw handgun so he was able to buy ammo and keep himself protected. Just something to think about...exotic calibers might be hard to find cheaply, but when SHTF, it's likely that they'll be the only ones on the shelf...

[WWDHD?]

I thought semi-auto would wear out faster than a service-type revolver. Guess not.

[Snapping Twig]

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Bottleneck cartridge so it's harder to reload.
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Baloney. Ever reloaded 357 SIG?

No Brian, I haven't. I don't own one, so I don't reload for it.

So, no lubing the cases? Trimming to length?

I've loaded rifle for quite a while and in my experience you need to take these two steps on bottle neck cases. Additionally you need to weigh each charge individually, but that's rifle and I'm not certain it's necessary with the .357 Sig.

If I'm wrong about this, then I will have learned something new and admit an error. If I am not incorrect, these extra steps makes sense as to why it's not popular for reloading.

Let me know please.

[m98]

10mm ftw. For the price and performance. It's like buying only 25acp ammo to shoot instead of 9mm for your g17

[gun toting monkeyboy]

Pshhh.. It's all about .400 cor-bon

+1

Bottle-necked rounds feed better. And while I would love to get a .357 Sig barrel for my M&P 40, it is really hard for me to justify. I already have a .400 Corbon. It has the bullet mass of a .40 with the velocity of a .357 Sig. Besides, .357 Sig headspaces on the lip of the cartridge instead of the shoulder like the .400 does.

[five.five-six]

The 357 Sig is a great round, I think it's not to popular because of the cost. who wants to pay $30 for standard practice ammo. If you reload if has it's issues to deal with, but it doesn't cost much more than reloading 9mm.

yea, i thought that too.... but here's the rub. I only find about 70% of my brass on a good day, some days it's about 50%, consider new starline brass runs $0.30 each, and OMG

sure you can neck down .40 and use it, but you get 15/1000ths less neck and .357sig is not a crimped round, just neck tension... plus .40S&W brass is not good for those pressures, so you have to load it down


that said, I love .357sig

[SeanCasey]

I love my P226R in .357 SIG. Shoots great. For target ammo the Ultramax "remanufactured" ammo from Cabelas is pretty cheap (Under $20/50).

[misterjake]

I dont know if your looking at the chart correctly above? I see the 9mm 147 went a little further but look at the .357 sig's wound channel. IT'S FRIGGIN HUGE! The .45 ACP is even slightly smaller. Above talked about energy transfer. As you can see above the .357 sig did its job. I would also like to mention earlier talks about the .357 sigs barrier penetration should mention that when using FMJ rounds not hollow points. Above is a hollow point chart and what counts is the wound channel/ cavity the round produces. JMO When buying todays .357 sig ammo I have heard talk and read that its nuetered down and not loaded to full spec. Like the 10mm factory ammo is. Try some double tap or Buffalo Bore .

Proud owner of a G32 but also have a G19,20,21,22,23 so I'm not just a sig head.

Well, the .45 penetrated more than the .357SIG, not by much but it did. Most of that cavity is a temporary cavity, in a human, other than the bullet diameter and it's HP expanded petals it would seal back together.

40,000 PSI in the .357 SIG chamber v. 21,000 PSI for the .45. All that extra pressure for almost the same wound trama and just a bit more barrier penetration?

What's the muzzle flip of the .357 SIG v. 45 ACP?

For how much more .357 SIG is, i'd rather carry the more popular .45, practice more and be a better shot.

[CalNRA]

Currently more state law enforcement agencies use the .357SIG then the .45ACP.
Also, several Federal law enforcement agencies have adopted the .357SIG.

it's easy to adopt a new "magic round" when you don't have to pa for it.