20 deadliest gun states-CA#40

[Sideline Shooter]

Just saw this story on the web. CA is ranked #40.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailybeast/11782_20deadliestgunstatesfrommississippitoarizona;_ylt=AlS.LroZLPmQY0Qwfpp7rrFH2ocA;_ylu=X3oDMTQ4Y2djbW5yBGFzc2V0Ay9zL2RhaWx5YmVhc3QvMTE3ODJfMjBkZWFkbGllc3RndW5zdGF0ZXNmcm9tbWlzc2lzc2lwcGl0b2FyaXpvbmEEY2NvZGUDbXBfZWNfOF8xMARjcG9zAzYEcG9zAzYEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yaWVzBHNsawN0aGV0b3AyMGRlYWQ-

[Librarian]

Just saw this story on the web. CA is ranked #40.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailybeast/1...V0b3AyMGRlYWQ-

Throw out the LCAV contribution to get a better number. Here they are, worst to best (on the last column, "Crude Rate"):

State	Deaths	Population	Crude Rate
District of Columbia	129	586409	22
Louisiana	488	4376122	11.15
Alabama	378	4637904	8.15
Maryland	424	5634242	7.53
Mississippi	219	2921723	7.5
Georgia	557	9533761	5.84
South Carolina	255	4424232	5.76
Arizona	354	6362241	5.56
Tennessee	343	6172862	5.56
Arkansas	153	2842194	5.38
Florida	935	18277888	5.12
Nevada	131	2567752	5.1
North Carolina	458	9064074	5.05
Michigan	506	10050847	5.03
California	1701	36226122	4.7
Illinois	575	12779417	4.5
Missouri	265	5909824	4.48
Pennsylvania	554	12522531	4.42
Texas	1029	23837701	4.32
Total	12632	301579895	4.19
Oklahoma	151	3612186	4.18
Virginia	308	7719749	3.99
Indiana	251	6346113	3.96
New Mexico	78	1968731	3.96
Alaska	25	682297	3.66
Ohio	413	11520815	3.58
Kentucky	152	4256278	3.57
Delaware	30	864896	3.47
New Jersey	276	8636043	3.2
New York	522	19422777	2.69
Kansas	71	2775586	2.56
West Virginia	46	1811198	2.54
Nebraska	43	1769912	2.43
Wisconsin	132	5601571	2.36
Idaho	29	1499245	1.93
Connecticut	67	3488633	1.92
Washington	124	6464979	1.92
Colorado	91	4842259	1.88
Massachusetts	115	6499275	1.77
Montana	15	957225	1.57
Wyoming	8	523414	1.53
Utah	40	2663796	1.5
Vermont	9	620460	1.45
Minnesota	70	5191206	1.35
Rhode Island	13	1055009	1.23
Oregon	43	3732957	1.15
Maine	15	1317308	1.14
North Dakota	5	638202	0.78
South Dakota	5	797035	0.63
Iowa	18	2978719	0.6
Hawaii	7	1276832	0.55
New Hampshire	6	1317343	0.46

[HotRails]

Interesting that the Southeast is pretty far down there. Seems like there is more of a correlation between socioeconomic factors and crime than gun ownership.

[subrosa]

Interesting that the Southeast is pretty far down there. Seems like there is more of a correlation between socioeconomic factors and crime than gun ownership.

If only those who represent us in government would see that as well.

Here in CA, I feel like criminals feel like they can break into any home at anytime as the odds the person is a gun owner is so slim. You can also mug everyone because no one (almost) is allowed to CCW here.

[packnrat]

need input.

the numbers of people, and of dead, and the % number, but does this include suicides? accidental deaths (aka just cleaning the gun, kids playing?) or is this just murders?
how is the number of dead counted? what is included and NOT included?

not to be nit-picky but i feel posting the reason of death by one using a gun should be posted including gang related, drugs, etc, accidental, family problems, truly crazy.
by not posting all the reasons behind the death one can not say for sure in what way the death's happened. and by posting how the death did happen we as a pop can say see there is no need to ban guns of this type or style or mag limit etc. or to have a 10 day wait for your legal owned property, or to sign a paper (and leave a fingerprint) to buy a box of ammo.

maybe some one out there has all this data if so were can i find it please.

Packnrat



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[thrillhouse700]

Its a silly list, they fail to mention the fact that AZ is the superhighway for drug runners WHO HAVE GUNS!!!!!!! Talk about tunnel vision. **** your list.

[nick]

Interesting stats in the article, given that we've had about 15.2K homicides in this country in 2009 (per FBI unified crime report: http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_01.html). This is the total number of homicides, committed by using guns, sticks, knives, cars, bare hands, etc. This works out to the overall rate of 5 per 100,000. 67% of those were committed using a firearm, which works out to about 3.33 per 100,000 nationwide. Compare it to the data in the article...

Even if they use the total numbers of deaths where a gun was used (justifiable homicides, suicides, etc.), they're still way off; and using those metrics to pad their numbers is dishonest to begin with.

[Librarian]

the numbers of people, and of dead, and the % number, but does this include suicides? accidental deaths (aka just cleaning the gun, kids playing?) or is this just murders?
how is the number of dead counted? what is included and NOT included?

not to be nit-picky but i feel posting the reason of death by one using a gun should be posted including gang related, drugs, etc, accidental, family problems, truly crazy.
by not posting all the reasons behind the death one can not say for sure in what way the death's happened. and by posting how the death did happen we as a pop can say see there is no need to ban guns of this type or style or mag limit etc. or to have a 10 day wait for your legal owned property, or to sign a paper (and leave a fingerprint) to buy a box of ammo.

maybe some one out there has all this data if so were can i find it please.

Packnrat



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WISQARS has most of it - see above. The article says just murders-with-firearms were used (my figures above are "all murders", so here are the FBI figures for that, 2007, again sorted on the last column, rate/100K)

Louisiana	577	455	10.40
Maryland	553	414	7.35
Alabama	385	285	6.15
South Carolina	349	235	5.31
Georgia	674	485	5.09
Arizona	464	323	5.08
Nevada	192	123	4.79
Arkansas	191	130	4.57
California	2,249	1,605	4.43
Michigan	672	444	4.42
Pennsylvania	719	527	4.21
Missouri	351	247	4.18
New Mexico	148	81	4.11
Tennessee	397	252	4.08
Mississippi	152	119	4.07
North Carolina	555	369	4.07
Texas	1,419	946	3.97
Virginia	406	287	3.72
Oklahoma	222	132	3.65
Indiana	333	231	3.64
Alaska	43	21	3.08
Kentucky	196	131	3.08
New Jersey	380	260	3.01
Illinois3	463	343	2.68
Ohio	486	299	2.60
New York	800	500	2.57
Delaware	37	22	2.54
Kansas	104	63	2.27
Wisconsin	182	121	2.16
West Virginia	59	37	2.04
Colorado	150	85	1.76
Massachusetts	182	114	1.75
Idaho	49	25	1.67
Connecticut	95	57	1.63
Washington	170	99	1.53
Vermont	12	9	1.45
Utah	58	38	1.43
Wyoming	16	7	1.34
Minnesota	107	61	1.18
Montana	14	10	1.04
Oregon	72	38	1.02
Rhode Island	19	9	0.85
Maine	21	9	0.68
New Hampshire	11	7	0.53
Nebraska	22	9	0.51
South Dakota	15	4	0.50
North Dakota	12	3	0.47
Iowa	36	12	0.40
Hawaii	12	3	0.23

Don't know why Florida and DC are missing from the FBI data.)

As to identifying "gang related, drugs, etc, accidental, family problems, truly crazy", that frequently isn't known. FBI does 'special' info releases on murders from time to time. Usually we get this: http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/off.../homicide.html

[packnrat]

interesting info, thinks for the link.

packnrart