Nutnfancy?

[Dan-0-]

Your perspective hasn't necessarily changed my opinion of him, but I see where his appeal comes from. He does promote safety and responsibility, I did not see that and should have mentioned that earlier. I see where you are coming from and respect that. I wish he were a little more explicit in his safety talks for his range days and such; due to his widespread audience/appeal, I think a few explicit warnings would be fitting, as the casualness of experience around firearms can be mistaken for recklessness.

As for my Youtube debut, my mug is very much in line for radio work.

I'm not necessarily trying to change your opinion about him. I'm just trying to get you to see the larger picture the way I see it. It's not about Nutnfancy it's about the larger fight we are faced with. The perception at large has to change in order for the pursuits we enjoy to be secure in the future. As far as the safety thing goes, there have been a few times where I was like, crap someone is going to see that and make a big deal out of it. But like I said he's not perfect, none of us are.
In regards to doing a review, don't worry about showing your face, you don't have to get in front of the camera in order to do a review. As far as popularity goes, no one is well known at first. But you've got to start somewhere and being a member of this and other forums would give you an automatic audience in the beginning. It would be up to you to maintain that audience.
Experience is gained through life. Many people attack Nutnfancy because he's airforce and not special forces, he served his country in uniform and that is what should matter. It doesn't matter to me what branch of the military you serve in, or if you don't serve at all. Your experience could come from working as a machinist and a gun hobbyist with experience in gunsmithing. You could have grown up in a family who owned a gun shop, you could be a boy scout who never outgrew the outdoors. Nutnfancy has shown pics of him as a kid on bear hunting trips. Don't know if they were really hunting bears, but he was loaded down with a ton of gear in the snow as a kid. I know I never did that kind of stuff as a kid, so he's got decades of experience in the woods. Doesn't make him the baddest *** snake eater, but he's got the time in to speak about things which may help less experienced people.
I am not telling you that you are required to have experience in anything specific in order to be a reviewer. The point is that you get out there and apply whatever experience you have to your gear reviews and whatever videos you think are important for the world to see. Do it in a way that you think ought to be done. The community will give you feedback accordingly. That's what we're discussing here right? The pro's and con's of a certain reviewer and his style will be discussed no matter what your background is.
I am asking you to start reviewing because you seem to know what Nutnfancy is doing wrong. If you are correct and can do it better, we would all benefit. Putting your effort into improving on what he does instead of just criticizing him would be a positive thing.

[ldao4]

Kudos....

[DasBoost]

Please enlighten us as to where we can see the shining example of your contribution to the 2A / self protection/ personal liberty movement? I am providing as accurate as information as I possibly can; if I am incorrect, I correct myself. Am I as well-known as him? No. Do I have as much experience? Define experience.

I don't understand how you can be so quick to tear down other people for whatever faults they may have.Because his faults could possibly hurt someone and affect the image of the firearms community. Why do you see him as a bad example of a 2A representative? He stresses personal responsibility and safe gun & knife ownership and handling. His channel is not one dimensional, he's got family, friends, and his dog involved. He's not perfect, but who is?

Look at it another way.

People have a very negative perception about the "dangerous things" Nutnfancy is trying to normalize by talking in depth about them in a way that's not too abrasive. It's more like sitting down with a friend and just hearing their thoughts about something. That is much easier for some people to relate to than others. I see his project more about changing the perception within society as it pertains to knives, guns and the preparedness mindset.

I was at dinner after the Shot Show and a friend of my cousin saw my knife and freaked out, it is a Kershaw Boa 1580ST. Nothing crazy, but she just couldn't get over how something that looked so deadly could be legal. That is the kind of perception we need to change. All the media hype about knives and hi-cap magazines and automatic weapons killing helpless Mexican orphans and the people (like us) that are into those things is endless.

I feel that Nutnfancy is working to mitigate the effect of mass media misrepresentation on everyday folks who never think about the same stuff we do. His channel may not be for the operators and heavily technical folks out there, but I don't think that's the audience he had in mind anyway. If we can't get behind those that are trying to do that we'll eventually lose the fight for our individual liberties. It is the ignorance and misunderstanding of people that politicians leverage against us to achieve their restrictive legislative goals.

If you don't like how he does things, do it yourself. You might see things differently if you put yourself out there like he has. I'm looking forward to your you tube debut.

Your perspective hasn't necessarily changed my opinion of him, but I see where his appeal comes from. He does promote safety and responsibility, I did not see that and should have mentioned that earlier. I see where you are coming from and respect that. I wish he were a little more explicit in his safety talks for his range days and such; due to his widespread audience/appeal, I think a few explicit warnings would be fitting, as the casualness of experience around firearms can be mistaken for recklessness.

As for my Youtube debut, my mug is very much in line for radio work.

[Dan-0-]

I dont see that he is normalizing anything...Im sure there are a few youtube subscribers that review firearms and gear that pass on correct information about firearms.....I admit that I do not go on youtube very often, I just checked his channel because i happened to run into the forum topic on m4carbine. My focus was more on how he spreads bull**** then on whether or not he supports the 2nd amend. Kudos for his effort but common if you are going to do this and spend an hr explaining something that should take 5 mins at least get the information right

Well that's where we have a difference of opinion. Most people I deal with have no concept about guns, knives outdoor gear. I see a side of society, that while educated to higher level is ignorant about many aspects of what is discussed on this forum and his channel. Those are the people who buy into the media dis-info and would never spend any time reading in depth what you probably do everyday. His channel is geared more towards people like that, when I say I believe he is normalizing what has been demonized that's the way I see it. Some of my friends and I lament how in the corporate & educational worlds there is so much bias against liberty oriented concepts and tools. Ultimately Nuntfancy may not normalize things, but his approach is one way I see that happening, so I choose to support him. If we are all so insular and keep to ourselves within the forums how do we change that perception in society?

Again, I ask you to grant us the benefit of your experience/ knowledge and show us how it's done. You obviously have some strong opinions of how not to do it, so I can only imagine that comes from an experienced background with credentials to back up your opinion. There's always room for good gear/ firearms/ philosophy channels. I know I'd watch your channel if it was anywhere near as good as Nutnfancy, and from the arguments you've made it shouldn't be that hard, right?

[ldao4]

I dont see that he is normalizing anything...Im sure there are a few youtube subscribers that review firearms and gear that pass on correct information about firearms.....I admit that I do not go on youtube very often, I just checked his channel because i happened to run into the forum topic on m4carbine. My focus was more on how he spreads bull**** then on whether or not he supports the 2nd amend. Kudos for his effort but common if you are going to do this and spend an hr explaining something that should take 5 mins at least get the information right

[Dan-0-]

I didn't say he was a shining example of anything.
I said let's see your shining example of how it should be done. What's your you tube channel?
I said he's not perfect, I'm not married to his channel, or his way of doing things.
I said that I like the fact that he's trying to normalize what has previously been demonized.
I'm not a mindless fan boy, I just appreciate the effort he is putting into his project.
I know I couldn't do it better, so I am trying to give credit where I think it's due.
Even if it is not perfect I appreciate the spirit of what he is trying to accomplish.

[ldao4]

As Jom Santoro (Trainer, Infantry Weapons Sys, PM Optics, Marine Corps Systems Command) wrote on a thread I provided from M4carbine....

"Just which "one person" is he going to help by pushing information that is just plain WRONG 80% of the time? No, don't bother, I'll answer it for you: the WRONG "one person."

By info, I'm speaking specifically about stuff regarding what I call "boilerplate," which is technical specifications, inspection, controls & features, prep for use, operation, and maintenance. He's a shining example of the entry-level practitioner who learns just enough to look knowledgeable to a complete neophyte who ALSO doesn't want to spend money on training (only on gear), and decides to run his suck about it because he likes the attention.

His background would be irrelevant if the info he was pushing was founded in anything besides his own opinion.

Answer me this: Has he ever taped a retraction, or something where he caught himself in an error and boradcasted a wholesale "I was wrong about XYZ, my bad, here's the skinny." or "Let's recap, I screwed this up, as Schmendrick Finklestein from Walla Walla, WA pointed out to me, thanks for watching, Schmendrick!"?

No, and he never will.

You don't sit at the feet of people like that to learn. You grab them by their stacking swivel, kick them in the *** to get their attention so you can point them in the right direction or at least get them to shut up. Trouble is, the groundswell of e-validation they get makes them believe their own snake-oil pitch, so they don't learn a thing.

At that point, you point at them and laugh, and poke them with sharpened sticks. If you "like" the guy, yippy-skippy, congratulations on your apologist turd-polishing skills, unless you like him for his excellent sharp-stick-poking characteristics.

It's a turd, put it down. Or don't, your call. The right to being a half-wit is inalienable"


Just saying.....it doesnt make it right to throw bad info around just because you think he is a "shining example to the 2A / self protection/ personal liberty movement" Bad facts are bad facts. Read the link I provided and see past his support of the 2nd Amendment

[Dan-0-]

No, I look for a true review, not the same talking points repeated for some reason over and over (possibly that elaboration you refer to) and "how is it compared to a Glock". Glocks are good firearms and, while they are not for me, have a large following; however, Nutswinger's past the point of even fanboy and the blind d**k-riding gets old really quick...

The same thing you can get from more legitimate sources without the BS and in half the time.

All I'm saying is that NutnWorthwhile is redundant and a bad influence on those that are new to firearms/knives and a bad representative of gun-owners/2A supporters as a whole. In an era where education is key to disproving the ignorance and darkness that prevails in the media/others' view of gun owners, he is the last thing people need to see and attach the 'gun owner/nut' label to. Obviously, you find value in him and his views, and while I respect the "sheepdog" concept, I believe his views are somewhat flawed and credentials somewhat bloated. Nothing personal, but those are my feelings elaborated about him.

Please enlighten us as to where we can see the shining example of your contribution to the 2A / self protection/ personal liberty movement?

I don't understand how you can be so quick to tear down other people for whatever faults they may have. Why do you see him as a bad example of a 2A representative? He stresses personal responsibility and safe gun & knife ownership and handling. His channel is not one dimensional, he's got family, friends, and his dog involved. He's not perfect, but who is?

Look at it another way.

People have a very negative perception about the "dangerous things" Nutnfancy is trying to normalize by talking in depth about them in a way that's not too abrasive. It's more like sitting down with a friend and just hearing their thoughts about something. That is much easier for some people to relate to than others. I see his project more about changing the perception within society as it pertains to knives, guns and the preparedness mindset.

I was at dinner after the Shot Show and a friend of my cousin saw my knife and freaked out, it is a Kershaw Boa 1580ST. Nothing crazy, but she just couldn't get over how something that looked so deadly could be legal. That is the kind of perception we need to change. All the media hype about knives and hi-cap magazines and automatic weapons killing helpless Mexican orphans and the people (like us) that are into those things is endless.

I feel that Nutnfancy is working to mitigate the effect of mass media misrepresentation on everyday folks who never think about the same stuff we do. His channel may not be for the operators and heavily technical folks out there, but I don't think that's the audience he had in mind anyway. If we can't get behind those that are trying to do that we'll eventually lose the fight for our individual liberties. It is the ignorance and misunderstanding of people that politicians leverage against us to achieve their restrictive legislative goals.

If you don't like how he does things, do it yourself. You might see things differently if you put yourself out there like he has. I'm looking forward to your you tube debut.

[DasBoost]

That's because you're one of the people that looks at reviews just for a quick yes/no answer. That's fine and all if you only want to get the gist of a product's quality, but some people, like myself prefer plenty of elaboration prior to a rather pricey investment.

No, I look for a true review, not the same talking points repeated for some reason over and over (possibly that elaboration you refer to) and "how is it compared to a Glock". Glocks are good firearms and, while they are not for me, have a large following; however, Nutswinger's past the point of even fanboy and the blind d**k-riding gets old really quick...

Okay, some of the things he says are silly, but I can overlook those because he gives us a bunch of other great facts. I agree that accuracy can't be talked about without firing the gun first. That's just one thing though. In his tabletop reviews he also talks about the weight, dimensions, ergonomics, accessory availability, etc etc. He explains a lot of the technical facts and features, and breaks it down into simple words that a non gun-nut might be able to understand.

The same thing you can get from more legitimate sources without the BS and in half the time.

All I'm saying is that NutnWorthwhile is redundant and a bad influence on those that are new to firearms/knives and a bad representative of gun-owners/2A supporters as a whole. In an era where education is key to disproving the ignorance and darkness that prevails in the media/others' view of gun owners, he is the last thing people need to see and attach the 'gun owner/nut' label to. Obviously, you find value in him and his views, and while I respect the "sheepdog" concept, I believe his views are somewhat flawed and credentials somewhat bloated. Nothing personal, but those are my feelings elaborated about him.

[ldao4]

**Revised

really how about the review where he compared the Glock 17 to the M&P 9, he talked negatively on the M&P 9 because its mag capacity was only 17 rounds when the glock 17 standard mag count was 19 rounds.......I guess he has presented all the facts on his table top reviews


FYI: standard high capacity mag count for each of these weapons is 17 rounds.....

[iareConfusE]

But did you see the the sentence "who the hell reviews a gun without firing and says it's accurate" I guess a long elaborate explanation overshadows this tiny insignificant fact

Okay, some of the things he says are silly, but I can overlook those because he gives us a bunch of other great facts. I agree that accuracy can't be talked about without firing the gun first. That's just one thing though. In his tabletop reviews he also talks about the weight, dimensions, ergonomics, accessory availability, etc etc. He explains a lot of the technical facts and features, and breaks it down into simple words that a non gun-nut might be able to understand.

[ldao4]

But did you see the the sentence "who the hell reviews a gun without firing and says it's accurate" I guess a long elaborate explanation overshadows this tiny insignificant fact

[iareConfusE]

Wow, watched "Insurgents on the Hill" and some of his gun reviews and SHOT Show videos with my roommate... RIP to the brain cells killed. The guy is an uber-goober mall ninja and provides real information that 30 seconds of Googling could find you. Who the hell reviews a gun without firing and says it's accurate?? And John Fitzen was good for laughs though...

"I'm high speed, everything has to be just so. I'm in ACUs because I wanna." -NutnWorthwhile

That's because you're one of the people that looks at reviews just for a quick yes/no answer. That's fine and all if you only want to get the gist of a product's quality, but some people, like myself prefer plenty of elaboration prior to a rather pricey investment.

Quick and dirty might work for you, but for myself and many others, it won't fly.

[ldao4]

@DasBoost - you hit the nail on the head.....

[DasBoost]

Wow, watched "Insurgents on the Hill" and some of his gun reviews and SHOT Show videos with my roommate... RIP to the brain cells killed. The guy is an uber-goober mall ninja and provides real information that 30 seconds of Googling could find you. Who the hell reviews a gun without firing and says it's accurate?? And John Fitzen was good for laughs though...

"I'm high speed, everything has to be just so. I'm in ACUs because I wanna." -NutnWorthwhile