Nutnfancy?

[ldao4]

As Jom Santoro (Trainer, Infantry Weapons Sys, PM Optics, Marine Corps Systems Command) wrote on a thread I provided from M4carbine....

"Just which "one person" is he going to help by pushing information that is just plain WRONG 80% of the time? No, don't bother, I'll answer it for you: the WRONG "one person."

By info, I'm speaking specifically about stuff regarding what I call "boilerplate," which is technical specifications, inspection, controls & features, prep for use, operation, and maintenance. He's a shining example of the entry-level practitioner who learns just enough to look knowledgeable to a complete neophyte who ALSO doesn't want to spend money on training (only on gear), and decides to run his suck about it because he likes the attention.

His background would be irrelevant if the info he was pushing was founded in anything besides his own opinion.

Answer me this: Has he ever taped a retraction, or something where he caught himself in an error and boradcasted a wholesale "I was wrong about XYZ, my bad, here's the skinny." or "Let's recap, I screwed this up, as Schmendrick Finklestein from Walla Walla, WA pointed out to me, thanks for watching, Schmendrick!"?

No, and he never will.

You don't sit at the feet of people like that to learn. You grab them by their stacking swivel, kick them in the *** to get their attention so you can point them in the right direction or at least get them to shut up. Trouble is, the groundswell of e-validation they get makes them believe their own snake-oil pitch, so they don't learn a thing.

At that point, you point at them and laugh, and poke them with sharpened sticks. If you "like" the guy, yippy-skippy, congratulations on your apologist turd-polishing skills, unless you like him for his excellent sharp-stick-poking characteristics.

It's a turd, put it down. Or don't, your call. The right to being a half-wit is inalienable"


Just saying.....it doesnt make it right to throw bad info around just because you think he is a "shining example to the 2A / self protection/ personal liberty movement" Bad facts are bad facts. Read the link I provided and see past his support of the 2nd Amendment

[Dan-0-]

I didn't say he was a shining example of anything.
I said let's see your shining example of how it should be done. What's your you tube channel?
I said he's not perfect, I'm not married to his channel, or his way of doing things.
I said that I like the fact that he's trying to normalize what has previously been demonized.
I'm not a mindless fan boy, I just appreciate the effort he is putting into his project.
I know I couldn't do it better, so I am trying to give credit where I think it's due.
Even if it is not perfect I appreciate the spirit of what he is trying to accomplish.

[ldao4]

I dont see that he is normalizing anything...Im sure there are a few youtube subscribers that review firearms and gear that pass on correct information about firearms.....I admit that I do not go on youtube very often, I just checked his channel because i happened to run into the forum topic on m4carbine. My focus was more on how he spreads bull**** then on whether or not he supports the 2nd amend. Kudos for his effort but common if you are going to do this and spend an hr explaining something that should take 5 mins at least get the information right

[Dan-0-]

I dont see that he is normalizing anything...Im sure there are a few youtube subscribers that review firearms and gear that pass on correct information about firearms.....I admit that I do not go on youtube very often, I just checked his channel because i happened to run into the forum topic on m4carbine. My focus was more on how he spreads bull**** then on whether or not he supports the 2nd amend. Kudos for his effort but common if you are going to do this and spend an hr explaining something that should take 5 mins at least get the information right

Well that's where we have a difference of opinion. Most people I deal with have no concept about guns, knives outdoor gear. I see a side of society, that while educated to higher level is ignorant about many aspects of what is discussed on this forum and his channel. Those are the people who buy into the media dis-info and would never spend any time reading in depth what you probably do everyday. His channel is geared more towards people like that, when I say I believe he is normalizing what has been demonized that's the way I see it. Some of my friends and I lament how in the corporate & educational worlds there is so much bias against liberty oriented concepts and tools. Ultimately Nuntfancy may not normalize things, but his approach is one way I see that happening, so I choose to support him. If we are all so insular and keep to ourselves within the forums how do we change that perception in society?

Again, I ask you to grant us the benefit of your experience/ knowledge and show us how it's done. You obviously have some strong opinions of how not to do it, so I can only imagine that comes from an experienced background with credentials to back up your opinion. There's always room for good gear/ firearms/ philosophy channels. I know I'd watch your channel if it was anywhere near as good as Nutnfancy, and from the arguments you've made it shouldn't be that hard, right?

[DasBoost]

Please enlighten us as to where we can see the shining example of your contribution to the 2A / self protection/ personal liberty movement? I am providing as accurate as information as I possibly can; if I am incorrect, I correct myself. Am I as well-known as him? No. Do I have as much experience? Define experience.

I don't understand how you can be so quick to tear down other people for whatever faults they may have.Because his faults could possibly hurt someone and affect the image of the firearms community. Why do you see him as a bad example of a 2A representative? He stresses personal responsibility and safe gun & knife ownership and handling. His channel is not one dimensional, he's got family, friends, and his dog involved. He's not perfect, but who is?

Look at it another way.

People have a very negative perception about the "dangerous things" Nutnfancy is trying to normalize by talking in depth about them in a way that's not too abrasive. It's more like sitting down with a friend and just hearing their thoughts about something. That is much easier for some people to relate to than others. I see his project more about changing the perception within society as it pertains to knives, guns and the preparedness mindset.

I was at dinner after the Shot Show and a friend of my cousin saw my knife and freaked out, it is a Kershaw Boa 1580ST. Nothing crazy, but she just couldn't get over how something that looked so deadly could be legal. That is the kind of perception we need to change. All the media hype about knives and hi-cap magazines and automatic weapons killing helpless Mexican orphans and the people (like us) that are into those things is endless.

I feel that Nutnfancy is working to mitigate the effect of mass media misrepresentation on everyday folks who never think about the same stuff we do. His channel may not be for the operators and heavily technical folks out there, but I don't think that's the audience he had in mind anyway. If we can't get behind those that are trying to do that we'll eventually lose the fight for our individual liberties. It is the ignorance and misunderstanding of people that politicians leverage against us to achieve their restrictive legislative goals.

If you don't like how he does things, do it yourself. You might see things differently if you put yourself out there like he has. I'm looking forward to your you tube debut.

Your perspective hasn't necessarily changed my opinion of him, but I see where his appeal comes from. He does promote safety and responsibility, I did not see that and should have mentioned that earlier. I see where you are coming from and respect that. I wish he were a little more explicit in his safety talks for his range days and such; due to his widespread audience/appeal, I think a few explicit warnings would be fitting, as the casualness of experience around firearms can be mistaken for recklessness.

As for my Youtube debut, my mug is very much in line for radio work.

[ldao4]

Kudos....

[Dan-0-]

Your perspective hasn't necessarily changed my opinion of him, but I see where his appeal comes from. He does promote safety and responsibility, I did not see that and should have mentioned that earlier. I see where you are coming from and respect that. I wish he were a little more explicit in his safety talks for his range days and such; due to his widespread audience/appeal, I think a few explicit warnings would be fitting, as the casualness of experience around firearms can be mistaken for recklessness.

As for my Youtube debut, my mug is very much in line for radio work.

I'm not necessarily trying to change your opinion about him. I'm just trying to get you to see the larger picture the way I see it. It's not about Nutnfancy it's about the larger fight we are faced with. The perception at large has to change in order for the pursuits we enjoy to be secure in the future. As far as the safety thing goes, there have been a few times where I was like, crap someone is going to see that and make a big deal out of it. But like I said he's not perfect, none of us are.
In regards to doing a review, don't worry about showing your face, you don't have to get in front of the camera in order to do a review. As far as popularity goes, no one is well known at first. But you've got to start somewhere and being a member of this and other forums would give you an automatic audience in the beginning. It would be up to you to maintain that audience.
Experience is gained through life. Many people attack Nutnfancy because he's airforce and not special forces, he served his country in uniform and that is what should matter. It doesn't matter to me what branch of the military you serve in, or if you don't serve at all. Your experience could come from working as a machinist and a gun hobbyist with experience in gunsmithing. You could have grown up in a family who owned a gun shop, you could be a boy scout who never outgrew the outdoors. Nutnfancy has shown pics of him as a kid on bear hunting trips. Don't know if they were really hunting bears, but he was loaded down with a ton of gear in the snow as a kid. I know I never did that kind of stuff as a kid, so he's got decades of experience in the woods. Doesn't make him the baddest *** snake eater, but he's got the time in to speak about things which may help less experienced people.
I am not telling you that you are required to have experience in anything specific in order to be a reviewer. The point is that you get out there and apply whatever experience you have to your gear reviews and whatever videos you think are important for the world to see. Do it in a way that you think ought to be done. The community will give you feedback accordingly. That's what we're discussing here right? The pro's and con's of a certain reviewer and his style will be discussed no matter what your background is.
I am asking you to start reviewing because you seem to know what Nutnfancy is doing wrong. If you are correct and can do it better, we would all benefit. Putting your effort into improving on what he does instead of just criticizing him would be a positive thing.

[RollingCode3]

Lol I'm pretty sure he wasn't special forces. I know hes in the Air Force though.

He seems like an all around good guy. Like others have said, he's long winded, but I like it. Gives me something to watch when I'm eating dinner in front of my computer, and he actually goes through a lot of talking points that a lot of reviewers don't.

Most people watch a review just to get a simple answer of "This product is good/bad, you should/should not buy it". Nutnfancy deviated from this black and white two dimensional reviewing method (that also makes for a very boring and uninformative video by the way), and he goes over a lot of aspects of a particular gun or piece of gear, and allows the viewer to make his/her own decision as to the value of a potential purchase. Nutnfancy will always leave his opinions and preferences on all of his reviews, but for the most part, I think he does an excellent job at staying objective and non-biased. Like he always says, your mileage with a particular product may vary. May work for you, and may not. His reviews are only to be taken as what he calls a data point, just another statistic for you to consider before making your purchase. A very valuable statistic in my opinion.

+1.... I love his videos on handgun reviews and SHOT show. Some people on this board get butt hurt over some guy on the internet. If you dont like his channel, then DONT WATCH IT. If you think you can do better, feel free to post a video and we will judge you.

[Dannicus]

Haters gonna hate.

IMO, Nutnfancy's stuff is good entertainment. He gives his opinion in a conversational manner on weapons and rarely fails to point out that others differ. He never claims to be a fountain of technical data. If you want that, then ur wrong for looking on youtube.

[Merc1138]

Haters gonna hate.

IMO, Nutnfancy's stuff is good entertainment. He gives his opinion in a conversational manner on weapons and rarely fails to point out that others differ. He never claims to be a fountain of technical data. If you want that, then ur wrong for looking on youtube.

If his technical data isn't correct, and some guns he "reviews" without even shooting, and if I don't know the shape/size of his hands, shoulders, etc. since ergonomics differ from person to person, what good does his 30 minute gun "review" video do for me?

Do you want to know what makes more sense? Putting the gun in my own hand at the shop, and manipulating the controls myself.

This guy doesn't do any sort of torture/reliability testing. He doesn't benchrest a gun to see how accurate it actually is. Heck, what about just taking it out of the box and putting 500-1000 rounds down the pipe to see what happens? Count any FTF or FTE, note if barrel fouling is unusually bad due to the rifling, does residue from shooting cover up the sight making it harder to see, what's the actual trigger pull weight instead of just what the factory put on their marketing materials?

Unless he's going to do things like I mentioned, it's not a "review", it's a powerpoint presentation(I'm not sure what's entertaining about that at all). You wouldn't pay any attention to a car review where the writer didn't actually drive the car would you?

ETA: Oh, and I even forgot about the blocking of people with any sort of constructive criticism. There has been times where people have posted text comments and even video responses, pointing out something he missed, or how he might be able to change something for the better, and he blocks them from ever viewing his channel again and deletes the comments. Yeah, that's real mature, right?

[Dannicus]

If his technical data isn't correct, and some guns he "reviews" without even shooting, and if I don't know the shape/size of his hands, shoulders, etc. since ergonomics differ from person to person, what good does his 30 minute gun "review" video do for me?

Do you want to know what makes more sense? Putting the gun in my own hand at the shop, and manipulating the controls myself.

This guy doesn't do any sort of torture/reliability testing. He doesn't benchrest a gun to see how accurate it actually is. Heck, what about just taking it out of the box and putting 500-1000 rounds down the pipe to see what happens? Count any FTF or FTE, note if barrel fouling is unusually bad due to the rifling, does residue from shooting cover up the sight making it harder to see, what's the actual trigger pull weight instead of just what the factory put on their marketing materials?

Unless he's going to do things like I mentioned, it's not a "review", it's a powerpoint presentation(I'm not sure what's entertaining about that at all). You wouldn't pay any attention to a car review where the writer didn't actually drive the car would you?

ETA: Oh, and I even forgot about the blocking of people with any sort of constructive criticism. There has been times where people have posted text comments and even video responses, pointing out something he missed, or how he might be able to change something for the better, and he blocks them from ever viewing his channel again and deletes the comments. Yeah, that's real mature, right?

Looking for someone to argue with?

You've somehow missed the point.

[CALI SHOT DOC]

If you don't like him then don't watch him. I think his number of subscribers speak volumes and he does an all around review. He gets discounts for the TNPrs and puts in a lot of time in his vids. I love hickcock45 also but watching him shoot hundreds of rounds, showing off his skills gets old fast. I don't need to see him shoot the same plate rack 15 times in one vid. And i think he babbles more than nutnfancy. In his 3rd "radio" episode, the first 6 min of the vid was talking about keeping it short to 30 min and not trying to talk so long.....



Both are great at what they do. Both have flaws at what they do also.

[Plisk]

My opinion on him is:

When he's doing a video about a firearm or gear review, he does his some good point and shows some of the little downfalls, or hidden gem in features that you never see in advertising. The stuff you discover shortly after opening the box, or on your first day of use. All of his videos are unglodly long, so you can't really find a vid real quick for info, nor can you track around to a specific part in the video to try and find something. All you see are his hands 90% of the time.

When it comes to his concept reviews, (like his Sheepdog review) on some of them he hits on good points and his point of view is right, but he doesn't represent the idea he's representing HIS personal feelings and opinions on the matter. That's where there's a lot of misunderstandings and conflicts with how people see his videos. He makes his speeches too personal, and less informative. Like in the Sheepdop review, hes trying to describe the mindset of a sheepdog. He was trying to express it as, the natural need to help others regardless of consequence. How he represented it as, was that Sheepdogs only do such things for the glory of it. They want to be the one doing it because it's something important. You read between the lines and you get it, but at face value there are an endless amount of flaws with is reviews. The real problem are the people that understand it at face value and agree with it! If you agree with the concept, that's awesome. If you agree with him, you could be believing in something dangerous (like how his own feelings describe SHTF (or WROL) as something cool that you need to drop everything and prepare for, rather then a concept that we should be aware of).

His own credability gets worse as you dig into his past. He talks about his service in the Air Force. He was part of a Refueling Wing Unit. Sorry if I don't trust the gas pump guy to tell me what my ideal personal carry piece should be. He also hints to "his brothers in Law Enforcement". He was never an LEO, he was part of a local Neighborhood watch type organization in his town.

Personally to me, he's just a tool. I'll use his videos when I need a little first hand info on an item, but otherwise I don't care what he was to say. Don't take anything at face value folks remember what Reagan said "Trust, but verify." Verify who you get your info from.

[Merc1138]

Looking for someone to argue with?

You've somehow missed the point.

You missed the point regarding what a product review should be. I don't give a flying **** about the guy's personal opinion on guns, I want facts and performance in a review. If your idea of "entertainment" is someone sitting behind a camera with a bulleted sheet of paper on the screen telling you how much a pistol weighs and giving wrong information regarding magazine capacity, then so be it. You can complain all you want about how I'm "hating", yet I've pointed out a multitude of flaws in the guy's videos and what his idea of a "review" is. Deal with it. If you cannot accept that not everyone holds the same opinion about some guy on youtube as you, why is it the rest of us with the problem?

I couldn't care less about the guy's personal life. If he wants to go running around in the desert shooting, whatever. But to present his own personal opinions about things as absolute facts, ignoring real data, and then blocking anyone who ever points out any inconsistencies or errors, is garbage. Yeah, you'll never see criticisms in any of the comments on his youtube page or videos, want to know why? He or his sister(I forget her name) deletes them all and then blocks the users. I've seen actual discussions occur between other people who post videos on youtube and the people who comment on their videos. This doesn't happen on nutnfancy's videos, so it appears to the less knowledgeable that he must be completely correct since it appears that no one is willing to question him or argue with him over anything ever in his videos.

[moneymaker88]

I think it is what it is. Entertainment. One guy having fun with his friends and family making some vids that he thinks might help some poeple. It's there for you to do with it what you want. You want technical buy a field manual or buy a guns and ammo. You want one guys OPINION watch this guy.

I checked out thid Hickok45. HORRIBLE It's like watching somebody's grandpa that has alzheimers run around shooting things. I watched about 8 vids. One he was wandering through a snow covered forest rambling incohenrently about band of brothers.