Lock Box question

[j.primo]

(I did a search on Google and CG) Some opinions said "lock boxes" only work like a safety device and can only be used within 30 days of purchase and is equivalent to buying a gun lock, and cannot be used after the 30 days are up.

[foxtrotuniformlima]

From their website:

http://www.stack-on.com/categories/security-cabinets-gun-cabinets/products/74

■Safe is California DOJ-approved firearms safety device that meets the requirements of California Penal Code Section 12088 and the regulations issued thereunder.

[j.primo]

I'll ask the shop when I pick up my pistols tomorrow. If they say no, I'll just use the receipt, then return it

[Mssr. Eleganté]

The reason that there is confusion is because the Penal Code says that a lock box is not a safe and is only a "firearms safety devise". The Penal Code also says that you can just sign an affidavit or bring in just a receipt for a safe, but you need to bring in the actual "firearms safety device" along with a receipt if your firearm safety devise is anything other than a safe.

But then when they wrote up the actual regulations to implement the Penal Code they changed it to say that you only have to bring in a receipt and sign an affidavit to prove ownership of your firearms safety device if your firearms safety device is an approved "lock box". It seems that the CCR is in conflict with the PC, but CalDOJ is saying that just a receipt and affidavit is fine for a lock box as long as the model is on the list of approved firearms safety devices. I guess the CCR is following "the spirit" of the law that was passed.

Penal Code Section 12088.1 is where is says you need to bring in the safety device to the gunshop, with no exemption for lock boxes.

And California Code of Regulations Title 11, Division 5, Chapter 6, Article 4 is where it says you only need to bring in a receipt and sign an affidavit for a lock box.

[j.primo]

The reason that there is confusion is because the Penal Code says that a lock box is not a safe and is only a "firearms safety devise". The Penal Code also says that you can just sign an affidavit or bring in just a receipt for a safe, but you need to bring in the actual "firearms safety device" along with a receipt if your firearm safety devise is anything other than a safe.

But then when they wrote up the actual regulations to implement the Penal Code they changed it to say that you only have to bring in a receipt and sign an affidavit to prove ownership of your firearms safety device if your firearms safety device is an approved "lock box". It seems that the CCR is in conflict with the PC, but CalDOJ is saying that just a receipt and affidavit is fine for a lock box as long as the model is on the list of approved firearms safety devices. I guess the CCR is following "the spirit" of the law that was passed.

Penal Code Section 12088.1 is where is says you need to bring in the safety device to the gunshop, with no exemption for lock boxes.

And California Code of Regulations Title 11, Division 5, Chapter 6, Article 4 is where it says you only need to bring in a receipt and sign an affidavit for a lock box.

Thank you

[Citadelonline]

Some opinions said "lock boxes" only work like a safety device and can only be used within 30 days of purchase and is equivalent to buying a gun lock, and cannot be used after the 30 days are up.

Some say Lock Boxes are considered the same as having a Safe and exempt me from 12088.1.

In CA, it's either a (approved) "Safe", or a "Firearms safety device"

According to CA regs, your Stack On PB-201 qualifies as a "Firearms safety device", as defined under article 12087.6:

(a) "Firearms safety device" means a device other than a gun safe that locks and is designed to prevent children and unauthorized users from firing a firearm. The device may be installed on a firearm, be incorporated into the design of the firearm, or prevent access to the firearm.
(b) "Gun safe" means a locking container that fully contains and secures one or more firearms, and that meets the standards for gun safes adopted pursuant to Section 12088.2.

If it meets these requirements it's a safe: